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Dan

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1m4tr

Cliffmas
For those lawyers in the know, are we even talking about a 50/50 chance for the TRO to be granted? Or are the odds way less than that in TSJ’s favor?
 
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I think we should be prepared for the fact that we likely won't get a ruling today as the judge and clerks will have to write it. I'd love to read u of I response as there were some interesting declarations attached. I can't use my firms pacer account but invite others to do so and circulate !!

Thursday, January 11, 2024
14 respm Response to Motion/Petition Thu 01/11 11:24 PM
RESPONSE to Motion re10 MOTION for Temporary Restraining Order filed by Defendants Timothy Killeen, The Board of Trustees of the University of Illinois.(Land, Peter)
Att: 1 Exhibit 1-Declaration of Geoff Alexander,
Att: 2 Exhibit 2-Declaration of Josh Whitman,
Att: 3 Exhibit 3-Declaration of Ryan Squire,
Att: 4 Exhibit 4-Declaration of Danielle Fleenor,
Att: 5 Exhibit 5-Declaration of Robert Wilcynski,
Att: 6 Exhibit 6-Unpublished case-Robertson v. Bd. of Trs. of Kent State Univ.
 
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Krombopulos_Michael

Aurora, Illinois (that’s a suburb of Chicago)
I think we should be prepared for the fact that we likely won't get a ruling today as the judge and clerks will have to write it. I'd love to read u of I response as there were some interesting declarations attached. I can't use my firms pacer account but invite others to do so and circulate !!

Thursday, January 11, 2024
14 respm Response to Motion/Petition Thu 01/11 11:24 PM
RESPONSE to Motion re10 MOTION for Temporary Restraining Order filed by Defendants Timothy Killeen, The Board of Trustees of the University of Illinois.(Land, Peter)
Att: 1 Exhibit 1-Declaration of Geoff Alexander,
Att: 2 Exhibit 2-Declaration of Josh Whitman,
Att: 3 Exhibit 3-Declaration of Ryan Squire,
Att: 4 Exhibit 4-Declaration of Danielle Fleenor,
Att: 5 Exhibit 5-Declaration of Robert Wilcynski,
Att: 6 Exhibit 6-Unpublished case-Robertson v. Bd. of Trs. of Kent State Univ.
If anyone could summarize specifically what the docs re: GA and JW say I will give you my beach house.
 
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Not sure anyone knows what is going to happen today other than the judge. With that being said, this is not a make or break either way. Still a lot to play out with a case in the coming weeks along with the possible preliminary hearing
The TRO will be denied. The injunction in a few weeks is then more important decision, but the TRO decision today will be at least somewhat telling as to how the judge perceives TJ’s case.

Main path forward to return to action remains a dropping of charges
 
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The TRO will be denied. The injunction in a few weeks is then more important decision, but the TRO decision today will be at least somewhat telling as to how the judge perceives TJ’s case.

Main path forward to return to action remains a dropping of charges
How do you know the TRO will be denied?
 
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Not sure anyone knows what is going to happen today other than the judge. With that being said, this is not a make or break either way. Still a lot to play out with a case in the coming weeks along with the possible preliminary hearing
The Seventh Circuit uses a sliding scale test evaluating injunctions. Shannon has advanced several grounds to grant relief. First he sues under 1983 and claims his right to procedural due process has been violated. He also claims a violation of Title 9, a breach of an express contract, breach of an implied contract, and waiver. His last three arguments are weak.He must show a likelihood of success on the merits of one of those claims. If his harm is severe, the need for success on the merits diminishes.

And he must win today. A hearing on a permanent injunction is subsumed in today's ruling. The decision should be quick,but that depends on the judge. An appeal is theoretically possible, but these decisions are very rarely reversed on appeal.

The harm is pretty severe. The harm to Illinois is not. All is at stake is their suspension rule with respect to athletes which is designed to protect them. So I could see an injunction being granted. But hey Federal Judges do what they want; review is on an abuse of discretion standard.
 
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The TRO will be denied. The injunction in a few weeks is then more important decision, but the TRO decision today will be at least somewhat telling as to how the judge perceives TJ’s case.

Main path forward to return to action remains a dropping of charges
Is that because you think the judge will feel that the harm of keeping him suspended for "just" a few more weeks isn't that big of a deal?
 
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For those lawyers in the know, are we even talking about a 50/50 chance for the TRO to be granted? Or are the odds way less than that in TSJ’s favor?
As a non-attorney who works with attorneys on a daily basis they generally refuse to give you odds. If you push them they will say 50/50. As far as I know there is not a precedent case like this, so an attorney has no clue on the outcome.
 
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The TRO will be denied. The injunction in a few weeks is then more important decision, but the TRO decision today will be at least somewhat telling as to how the judge perceives TJ’s case.

Main path forward to return to action remains a dropping of charges
Agree with most of this but I think there is a pretty good shot on the tro. The tro is going to be more focused on the irreparable harm of which there is plenty. He gets to suit up for a couple games. Not the end of the world for either side. The injunction yes that will focus more on and get much more detail on the substantive evidence. Dropping of the charges I simply do not see that happening unless there is some evidentiary change or more pressure is put on from outside the Shannon camp. A preliminary hearing can be a wild card. As others have noted, it is unusual to get a finding of no probable cause at a preliminary hearing. At a preliminary hearing the DA normally gets the benefit of the doubt. The DA and the presiding judges have to work together every day. But here. Way too many moving pieces. This DA has made a cottage industry of publicly insulting the judges her office has to work with every day. She is going to get disciplined for her misdeeds. Want another public spanking then find no probable cause at the preliminary hearing
 
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Mr. Tibbs

southeast DuPage
Agree with most of this but I think there is a pretty good shot on the tro. The tro is going to be more focused on the irreparable harm of which there is plenty. He gets to suit up for a couple games. Not the end of the world for either side. The injunction yes that will focus more on and get much more detail on the substantive evidence. Dropping of the charges I simply do not see that happening unless there is some evidentiary change or more pressure is put on from outside the Shannon camp. A preliminary hearing can be a wild card. As others have noted, it is unusual to get a finding of no probable cause at a preliminary hearing. At a preliminary hearing the DA normally gets the benefit of the doubt. The DA and the presiding judges have to work together every day. But here. Way too many moving pieces. This DA has made a cottage industry of publicly insulting the judges her office has to work with every day. She is going to get disciplined for her misdeeds. Want another public spanking then find no probable cause at the preliminary hearing
I always appreciate your insights , mrh vet
 
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Not sure anyone knows what is going to happen today other than the judge. With that being said, this is not a make or break either way. Still a lot to play out with a case in the coming weeks along with the possible preliminary hearing
I love your optimism, but from a PURE BASKETBALL standpoint(human reality aside)....time is going by quickly. By the end of January, we're what, 10 conference games in? When we start talking about the upcoming WEEKS...geeze, we're only six weeks until March.

Again, from a pure hoops standpoint, it's getting pretty close(if not right at), make or break.
 
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Chad Fleck

Eureka, IL
Gary Parrish just laid some national media tracks for shaming BU if he plays Shannon in the case that a TRO is granted and the case is still pending.
 
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