On the start vs come off the bench scenario. I imagine he starts, but the crowd reaction three minutes into the game when he gets off the bench would also be something else…
Terrence Shannon Jr. reinstated
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illiniswish09
- Northwest Suburbs
Just got tickets for Wednesday night in Evanston… Going to bring so much joy to see him back out there… LFG
TheFlyingIllini1317
- Chicago, IL
The insiders here, wow, insanely accurate.
It’s really interesting NIL really did matter in coming to this decision when some lawyers said NIL had nothing to do with this.The Court stated that NIL has changed everything. We ain't in Kansas anymore.The balance of power has shifted
They're short but not that short and remember this is college basketball with die hard college kids. The adults might not be that bad the students I bet will be. In the NBA though if TSJ plays and is mostly innocent at the trial I bet you see less booing. When Patrick Kane had his situation fans were brutal for a few months but towards the end of the year it was mostly gone. Now it's basically gone.
So are the chances pretty good he’s gonna be with us the rest of the season or is this a temporary thing?
NIL changed the landscape immensely. One could argue it put everyone on the same playing field and neutered the dirty programs.The Court stated that NIL has changed everything. We ain't in Kansas anymore.
Transfer with immediate eligibility was the other colossal change. It turned the mid-major programs into a farm system that develop players for their one year showcase at a major program.
This ain't your daddy's college basketball anymore.
Bitter? I’m as happy as anyone about this. I was commenting on how everyone thinks that because someone has a law degree and is smart they can pull off legal things that experienced lawyers - countless of whom are also very smart - have never thought of. Beckett is a great advocate and deserves lots of credit here for winning on a very novel theory. And JW is very smart and a great AD. Sorry your reading comprehension skills seems that bitter.
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PizzaHutParkingLot
- McPherson, KS
If he's back for the entire season they are going to play with a chip on their shoulder the entire way. I'd also expect Shannon to play with something to prove.
They've also kind of learned to play a bit without him and seen Coleman, Guerrier, and Harmon really step up to the point I think they're even more dangerous now.
When I first read that I thought wh-aaat? He’s an All-American dude and the best athlete in Illini History (according to some)…but then I thought about it…and I really kinda like the way you scripted that flick. I would definitely watch that movie.
I’d just like to see him come in after we’re already up about 25 points…and then we find another gear and really demoralize ‘em.
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True but the poster said this was how he hoped it would turn out. Zero tolerance policy. Suspended. Check. Due process through the panel who agreed with his judgment. Check. TRO vigorously and competently opposed by the university and Josh. Check. He and the university are above reproach. He might not have engineered it. He might not have foreseen it but yes he is smiling. Everyone wins here
Taking it a little further than it goes, I think. Victory for FAIRNESS. Court didn't say you gotta wait until a jury rules. It said you gotta give him a fair hearing before you decide you're gonna presume him guilty. From what I read (not everything), the university's position was, "because there was an arrest warrant, we're gonna presume TJS did it, and we're not even going to listen to whatever evidence he has to the contrary .". Court said, no, that's not fair. Before you can suspend him for rape, you gotta at least listen to what he has to say about whether he did in fact do it. If the university would give him a fair hearing, they could suspend him again tomorrow. They don't need to wait for the criminal case.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
I give you ... the Extremely Lucky Timeline that Illini fans have gone through decades of torment to realize in 2024:
1. TSJ's request for the suspension to be overturned is granted on Friday 1/19/2024.
2. The Illini get on another hot streak, starting with RU at home and a win at NU in front of a majority Illini crowd.
3. The Illini sit atop the Big Ten and in the top 5 of the AP poll the day of Shannon's preliminary hearing (Friday 2/23). No new evidence to move the needle is presented by the DA, and the judge (perhaps considering the DA's very sketchy past) rules that there should have not been probably cause to even charge TSJ in the first place. The charges are dropped, and Shannon is free to live his life as a 110% innocent man!
4. The next day, Illinois absolutely demolishes Iowa by 30+ in the House of 'Paign.
5. On Tuesday 3/5, the Illini get revenge on Purdue at home and clinch what should be our third Big Ten championship in four years.
6. We finish the season by sweeping rival Iowa in Iowa City ... I'll be there.
7. Honestly don't care about the BTT, but I guess we can win it if it doesn't tire us out too much?
8. Playing like no team has played since our 2005 squad, this team is together, hungry and playing with a chip on their shoulder. They simply are not going to be stopped.
9. On Monday 4/8/2024, for the first time in its storied history, the Illinois Fighting Illini are crowned National Champions.
1. TSJ's request for the suspension to be overturned is granted on Friday 1/19/2024.
2. The Illini get on another hot streak, starting with RU at home and a win at NU in front of a majority Illini crowd.
3. The Illini sit atop the Big Ten and in the top 5 of the AP poll the day of Shannon's preliminary hearing (Friday 2/23). No new evidence to move the needle is presented by the DA, and the judge (perhaps considering the DA's very sketchy past) rules that there should have not been probably cause to even charge TSJ in the first place. The charges are dropped, and Shannon is free to live his life as a 110% innocent man!
4. The next day, Illinois absolutely demolishes Iowa by 30+ in the House of 'Paign.
5. On Tuesday 3/5, the Illini get revenge on Purdue at home and clinch what should be our third Big Ten championship in four years.
6. We finish the season by sweeping rival Iowa in Iowa City ... I'll be there.
7. Honestly don't care about the BTT, but I guess we can win it if it doesn't tire us out too much?
8. Playing like no team has played since our 2005 squad, this team is together, hungry and playing with a chip on their shoulder. They simply are not going to be stopped.
9. On Monday 4/8/2024, for the first time in its storied history, the Illinois Fighting Illini are crowned National Champions.
Joel Goodson
- respect my decision™
way more dangerous, IMO
The university needs to figure out when they can and cannot suspend a player. based on the person and the facts about the incident that have been public most on here don’t seem to have a major issue with his return. So if a player is out on bail and court cases don’t interfere then they play?
This will take time for the university to figure out
Here's what ESPN has to say about it, one of their lead stories. A fairly thorough article on the legal events that have transpired.
www.espn.com
Shannon cleared to rejoin Illini after TRO granted
A judge granted Illinois star Terrence Shannon Jr.'s request for a temporary restraining order Friday, allowing him to be reinstated weeks after being suspended following his December arrest on a rape charge for an alleged incident in Lawrence, Kansas.
Chad Fleck
- Eureka, IL
I give you ... the Extremely Lucky Timeline that Illini fans have gone through decades of torment to realize in 2024:
1. TSJ's request for the suspension to be overturned is granted on Friday 1/19/2024.
2. The Illini get on another hot streak, starting with RU at home and a win at NU in front of a majority Illini crowd.
3. The Illini sit atop the Big Ten and in the top 5 of the AP poll the day of Shannon's preliminary hearing (Friday 2/23). No new evidence to move the needle is presented by the DA, and the judge (perhaps considering the DA's very sketchy past) rules that there should have not been probably cause to even charge TSJ in the first place. The charges are dropped, and Shannon is free to live his life as a 110% innocent man!
4. The next day, Illinois absolutely demolishes Iowa by 30+ in the House of 'Paign.
5. On Tuesday 3/5, the Illini get revenge on Purdue at home and clinch what should be our third Big Ten championship in four years.
6. We finish the season by sweeping rival Iowa in Iowa City ... I'll be there.
7. Honestly don't care about the BTT, but I guess we can win it if it doesn't tire us out too much?
8. Playing like no team has played since our 2005 squad, this team is together, hungry and playing with a chip on their shoulder. They simply are not going to be stopped.
9. On Monday 4/8/2024, for the first time in its storied history, the Illinois Fighting Illini are crowned National Champions.
I totally agree to bring him off the bench about 1-2 minutes in and let the crowd go absolutely nuts!
When considering how this might change the NCAA landscape, keep in mind that this is merely a temporary ruling, and the judge only has to determine that TSJ's underlying case against the university had "some likelihood of success on the merits". I don't know what precedent this sets as of now.
Also, one key part of the ruling is that his rights were deemed to be possibly violated under 42 U.S.C. § 1983, which essentially provides an individual the right to sue state government employees and others acting "under color of state law" for civil rights violations. So if it had been a private university, TSJ would have had to win on other grounds. And the specific violation of his rights in this case was deemed to be the deprivation of "property" in the form of a "contract [that] entitled him to a specific right that the university allegedly took" from him.
Ironically, that contract is essentially the implied contract of DIA policy. And "DIA policy specifically requires that “if the Panel decides to withhold the student-athlete from any athletic activity or related support service, it will do so in compliance with, and consideration of, all applicable University, state and federal regulations…” The judge points out that "one of those applicable polices is the OSCR Policy wherein students accused of sexual misconduct at the University have a right to notice of the proceedings, participation in the administrative hearings, an investigative process, and an ability to review and respond to the evidence."
So the judge essentially ruled that TSJ has perhaps demonstrated that a state employee (UIUC president) deprived TSJ of his property (his "contract" with UIUC to play basketball as specified in DIA policy) because DIA policy says he should only be suspended in accordance with other University regulations, and those say OSCR should apply to this case.
I think NIL really only affected whether the judge would grant him temporary relief before deciding if the above is final. The harm done in the meantime perhaps tipped the scales to grant temporary relief, but the underlying case seems mostly about his implied contract with UIUC.
Also, one key part of the ruling is that his rights were deemed to be possibly violated under 42 U.S.C. § 1983, which essentially provides an individual the right to sue state government employees and others acting "under color of state law" for civil rights violations. So if it had been a private university, TSJ would have had to win on other grounds. And the specific violation of his rights in this case was deemed to be the deprivation of "property" in the form of a "contract [that] entitled him to a specific right that the university allegedly took" from him.
Ironically, that contract is essentially the implied contract of DIA policy. And "DIA policy specifically requires that “if the Panel decides to withhold the student-athlete from any athletic activity or related support service, it will do so in compliance with, and consideration of, all applicable University, state and federal regulations…” The judge points out that "one of those applicable polices is the OSCR Policy wherein students accused of sexual misconduct at the University have a right to notice of the proceedings, participation in the administrative hearings, an investigative process, and an ability to review and respond to the evidence."
So the judge essentially ruled that TSJ has perhaps demonstrated that a state employee (UIUC president) deprived TSJ of his property (his "contract" with UIUC to play basketball as specified in DIA policy) because DIA policy says he should only be suspended in accordance with other University regulations, and those say OSCR should apply to this case.
I think NIL really only affected whether the judge would grant him temporary relief before deciding if the above is final. The harm done in the meantime perhaps tipped the scales to grant temporary relief, but the underlying case seems mostly about his implied contract with UIUC.
My only quibble that they say he inappropriately touched her "before" he sexually assaulted her. Actually, it is the "inappropriate touching" itself that is the alleged sexual assault.Here's what ESPN has to say about it, one of their lead stories. A fairly thorough article on the legal events that have transpired.
Shannon cleared to rejoin Illini after TRO granted
A judge granted Illinois star Terrence Shannon Jr.'s request for a temporary restraining order Friday, allowing him to be reinstated weeks after being suspended following his December arrest on a rape charge for an alleged incident in Lawrence, Kansas.
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