Was this the first time we had Hawkins paying booty and looking to deal? I thought he was good at it.....some good passes, so good makes, but down the stretch the turnovers simply gave the game away. If we are not going hard to the hole, we won't get the whistles, especially in the tourney in March.
Michigan State 88, Illinois 80 Postgame
Hamer controls the defensive strategy with input from other coaches ...
Tyler controls the offensive strategy with input from other coaches ...
I feel Beilein is directing that at TSJ. He said it after the Nebraska game and today. I kind of agree with him. Going through Hawkins got us the lead and them took some questionable quick jumpers. TSJ taking quick threes at the rate he has the last couple games (5 of 19) is likely what our opponents prefer TSJ to do instead of rolling through Hawk or TSJ attacking, drawing fouls, causing foul trouble, and making the extra pass. Since coming back and taking so many 3s he is shooting at 23% from three i think they said today. I think thats what Beilein sees too and ut was not at the right time in both games to be taking those shots.
Is that pretty standard across CBB?
Doesn’t make any sense. Why put two inexperienced assistants in control of strategy and giving the more experienced assistants the responsibility of just giving input. Lol
It’s called Goode and Domask on the floor at the same time. We are ok with one liability on D but not two. Then add in Harmon and it’s really not good. Get up by 8 and make sure your best 5 defenders are in the game late!
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Coleman is an amazing ballhandler in the open floor for a 6'10" guy, but he absolutely does not have better handles than Domask, the sheer physics of the limb lengths involve present certain unavoidable limitations.
The nature of the way this roster is built makes it a very vulnerable team to ball pressure up the floor.
I also don’t know why we went away from initiating the offense through a Coleman post up on every possession. We were getting great looks out of it, what built the lead to 72-64. And then we just go away from it for zero reason.
There are some pretty bad issues that appear to be scheme. Some of it is obviously execution but seems like that’s the minority. Example: Hawkins sagging so deep on pick at the elbow allowed Hoggard and Walker to either pull up or get downhill to the rim. You’ve gotta hedge a little b/c MSU big guys weren’t doing anything. 2nd half the guards got in the lane at will and there was zero adjustment.
We didn’t lose by 2 or something. We were losing 88-80 when I lost the feed.
We took a bunch of jump shots with the lead. Missing jump shots is the best way to let a team back in a game.
Weren’t we up 9 when Goode missed the first of a 1 and 1?
Up 9 to down 8 in like 6 mins of game time?
That’s not bc some shots were “oh so close”
If I am Chester, TA or even GA, I would be butt hurt by this
That is called chucking, not shooting. Some great inside out passes, just cannot make the damn shot.Looking at box score, we took 30 3s to their 8, Hawkins and Shannon were a combined 4 for 16 shooting 3s
Michigan State 88-80 Illinois (Feb 10, 2024) Box Score - ESPN
Box score for the Michigan State Spartans vs. Illinois Fighting Illini NCAAM game from February 10, 2024 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats.www.espn.com
Great question ... I really don't have a good answer for you on that one ...
Adjustments need to be made ...
Brad choosing to give Goode extended run why Ty is on the bench is beyond baffling to me ... He is a defensive liability ... If he can't make catch and shoot threes ... He is providing nothing ...
I would have also liked to have seen more Dain today ...
I also am sick and tired of Domask being the only option bringing the ball up the floor ... Keep the defense guessing ... Hawkins ... DGL ... Ty ... Throw different looks at them ... Domask dribbles up and just tosses it high to Coleman every freaking time ... Hoggard figured it out ... Turnover and the game is over ...
One problem with that. We don't have a legitimate PG and it hurt us on BOTH ends. You can't play the last 7 minutes of the game with one guy who can't play defense and the other guy who can't play offense. Those are both bad options.
I'm not overly upset because we all knew this was going to be an issue back in June 2023. It's reared it's head the last couple of weeks. This same exact meltdown happened versus Nebraska.
But I don’t see it as selfish. He’s your star player and he’s gonna take some shots that may not be great. But he doesn’t play like a “me” guy. Understand what you’re saying but I’m not seeing it.
DICKnaggie
- Champaign
Latulip on radio right now calling out the decision to keep Ty out and leave Goode in. Referenced it as a pattern and said it was a huge factor in us loosing today.
Well, we all wanted change on the offensive end last year and we got it ... Geoff is helping Tyler but Tyler is running that show strategically ...
So, coaches with the least experience are leading the way? Makes little sense unless the more experienced assistant coaches wanted it to be that way.
You can always blame it all on the coaching. You can always blame it all on the players. Both positions are wrong almost all the time.
Yet this board sure doesn’t think so.
Coaches sometimes get out-coached and out-schemed. It happens. This is Tom Izzo here.
I’m not gonna complain about X’s & O’s.
X’s and O’s are MUCH MORE subjective.
I’m more annoyed at our guys lack of understanding what to do down the stretch. We’re not on the same page and disciplined to close out these games. That is coaching.
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LaTulip knows ball ...
Yeah I'm not down for wasting our most talented team in almost 20 years