Terrence Shannon Jr. Found Not Guilty

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derrick6
I just got summoned to jury duty for July 16.

Never have before in my 57 years on this earth, but my perspective of participating has changed completely.

I want to help.
 
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Loyalillini10
SescIllini said:
If I'm a juror I'm viewing complete incompetence and strong bias by the DA as malice. I think there will be a civil suit on those grounds that despite clear evidence it wasn't TSJ or lack of evidence a crime occurred or that it was TSJ.
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No. I don't think there will be. I think TSJ and family are ready to move on. I think it is the fans that are holding more of a torch for this than anyone involved.
 
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BretMyBeachHouse
Loyalillini10 said:
No. I don't think there will be. I think TSJ and family are ready to move on. I think it is the fans that are holding more of a torch for this than anyone involved.
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There may not be a civil suit for all the obvious reasons.

The idea that fans "hold more of a torch " than Shannon is all but certainly wrong. I'm sure he's much more angry at this than anyone on this board.
 
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OrangeBlue98
Loyalillini10 said:
No. I don't think there will be. I think TSJ and family are ready to move on. I think it is the fans that are holding more of a torch for this than anyone involved.
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If Mark Sutter’s closing argument reflects the feelings of TSJ and/or the family, I wouldn’t be so sure. I think a big factor would be if the county and/or state has to pay legal bills for the criminal trial. If that’s not the case and they feel they have a good chance to win, they could pursue civil action. If part of that could also be to have the accuser admit she knew there wasn’t a case and the DA said something to the effect of “we’ll make one”, that would influence the final call as well.
 
#581      
Mr. Tibbs
I don’t know of any jurisdiction in the US where someone other than the defendant pays the legal fees if defendant is found not guilty .

obviously i’m not counting public defender situations .
 
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illini55
SescIllini said:
If I'm a juror I'm viewing complete incompetence and strong bias by the DA as malice. I think there will be a civil suit on those grounds that despite clear evidence it wasn't TSJ or lack of evidence a crime occurred or that it was TSJ.
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Let's put this line of thinking to bed, once and for all. IAAL

In virtually every situation, the prosecutor has immunity from follow up litigation. As I understand it, the judge ruled in this case there was probable cause to proceed to trial, so the likelihood that actual malice or prosecutorial misconduct can be established is about zero. The prosecutor has close to unfettered discretion. Incompetence, even if it could be established, is not malice. "Strong bias" can be a plus if you're a prosecutor---it's a tremendous help to an attorney to believe in your position and to reflect this "bias" in front of the jury. If you cannot argue forcefully as to the righteousness of your position in open court, you really ought to find another line of work.

TSJ and his advisors are NOT going to dwell on this trial for even one more day. Seeking retribution against its participants accomplishes nothing positive, and I assure you this is exactly what the lawyers are telling their client. Move forward, starting right now.
 
#583      
derrick6
What is overlooked is how much it cost him in this case, regardless of what he can afford.
 
#584      
BretMyBeachHouse
The fact that you call people asking for the recovery of their damages "retribution " pretty much tells me you don't understand this much.
 
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Illini-Rule
My fear is that even though TSJ won, that the losers will still sue TSJ. OJ was found not guilty and still got sued and lost in civil court. I am not a not a lawyer, so maybe there are differences in things?
 
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rmlsr
Yeah I think 💯 of TSJ focus will be on setting up workouts and training for NBA teams. Then the draft is already coming up on the 26th I believe so probably best to just put it behind him.
 
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mrh vet
BretMyBeachHouse said:
Yes, OJ pretty obviously did the crime. TJ pretty obviously did not.
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True. Would be a complete waste. She could never find a lawyer to take that case and on the miracle chance she did she would open herself up to a counter suit. That is a path she does not want to take
 
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Deacon05
Illini-Rule said:
My fear is that even though TSJ won, that the losers will still sue TSJ. OJ was found not guilty and still got sued and lost in civil court. I am not a not a lawyer, so maybe there are differences in things?
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Yeah, the O.J case had way more evidence that was not in his favor. The only real evidence in TSJ trial was that he was there, that's it.
 
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ejam21
ChiefGritty said:
Again, offering plea deals is absolutely 100% universal in criminal law, from driving school to keep it off your insurance record for a speeding ticket, to avoiding the death penalty in cold blooded murder. From cases with no evidence to cases that literally have the person on camera committing the act.

It is the system we have, there was never any doubt at any point of the process that TSJ had the opportunity to plead to something lower, that is how criminal prosecution works.

Is that justice? Different question.
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I'm well aware that that's how it works.....I just think its unjust and ridiculous in this particular case
 
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FAR Penthouse
Captain 14 said:
Is the refusal to accept a plea to a lesser charge previously offered by the DA admissible during the trial? His staunch refusal to cave makes me love this young man even more.
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Plea negotiations are not admissable in trial.
 
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WhiteHorseWings
illini55 said:
TSJ and his advisors are NOT going to dwell on this trial for even one more day. Seeking retribution against its participants accomplishes nothing positive, and I assure you this is exactly what the lawyers are telling their client. Move forward, starting right now.
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Agree. Someday soon enough when we can close the book on this era of retribution I lam hopeful this will stop being the kind of thing anyone seriously discusses.
 
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CleverHandle1
OrangeBlue98 said:
I'm guessing if it was a Northwestern player, the Score would be making a mention of it every 10 minutes like a traffic update.
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So true. For me, though, the management and most of the players there have certain beliefs, and they always present things to buoy a narrative with which I do not agree. It's too bourgeois for my taste.
 
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