Pete Rose has passed

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AZILL
I lived in Cincy 1973-1974 during the Big Red Machine days.... That whole team first got me into MLB. Riverfront was my 1st ever pro stadium. Lots of cool memories from that short stay in Ohio.
 
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2X2L
Great, great ballplayer, Thanks, Charlie Hustle. It was a pleasure watching you play.
 
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BDMAN
He should no one deserves it more say what you will about the gambling he played to win never lose in on field exploits are 2nd to none. It is a travesty that he is baseball has done a lot in righting past wrongs, the inclusion of the negro leaguer stats as official, major-league stats is one. Putting Pete in the hall would be another right to a major wrong IMHO.
 
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KBLEE
I was at the game in '88 when he was managing the Reds where he shoved umpire Dave Pallone after a close call in the 9th inning vs the Mets. He ended up getting a 30 day suspension and fine. RIP Pete.
 
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Big Jack
RIP Pete maybe the greatest to ever play the game.

Sad we can let people who commit real crimes run free but because a man broke the rules in baseball we withhold him from the Hall of Fame for life? Ridiculous.
 
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aiwpfan
splitter said:
Does he get in the Hall of Fame now? Pete was banned for life. He and Joe Jackson have served that sentence.
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My understanding is that its a PERMANENT ban. He will never be admitted to the HOF.
 
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wpr
I am ready for him and Shoeless Joe Jackson to be admitted to the Hall. I didn't want it while Pete was alive but not it's time. For both.
 
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ChiefGritty
To speak as a millennial: the baseball hall of fame made the decision that the best players of my childhood aren't worthy of being featured as part of baseball history, and accordingly my interest in the baseball hall of fame has plummeted.
 
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Bucktown
…and now of course gambling on baseball is rampant.

I am not aware of any evidence that his gambling impacted performance. He should be in the Hall of Fame.

The steroid era guys like Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriguez and Mark McGuire are tougher, but I think their accomplishments are probably also deserving of their inclusion.
 
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AZILL
Bucktown said:
…and now of course gambling on baseball is rampant.

I am not aware of any evidence that his gambling impacted performance. He should be in the Hall of Fame.

The steroid era guys like Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriguez and Mark McGuire are tougher, but I think their accomplishments are probably also deserving of their inclusion.
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I guess if you equate betting on your team winning just because you truly believe they will win solely because you believe in your players and your ability to coach, is the same as cheating by use of PED's to unnaturally increase your physical abilities..... then yeah... have at it! I personally am not, and never will be, in the camp that equates being an eternal optimist with being 'roided' out..... Just my simple mans opinion. I loved the Bonds/Sosa/MacGuire/ARod years and ate up every moment of it, until the truth came out. I felt cheated afterwards and thought they deserved everything they experienced as a result of it.

Rose, I think was his own worst enemy. And I think if he had confessed earlier, and not done it as a promo for his book, things might be different . I wish the lifetime ban was just that. No entrance while you are alive. I see no reason once a person has passed that you cannot officially recognize their accomplishments, it's actually THE epitome of BEATING A DEAD HORSE!!! I honestly do not know enough about the Shoeless Joe situation so cannot speak on that.
 
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illinibbcz
I think Pete Rose is the only player to play 5 different positions in the all star game, (LF, RF, 1B, 2B, 3B).
 
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EyeoftheIllini
Big Jack said:
RIP Pete maybe the greatest to ever play the game.

Sad we can let people who commit real crimes run free but because a man broke the rules in baseball we withhold him from the Hall of Fame for life? Ridiculous.
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I’ve seen this argument multiple times since his death. Pete Rose didn’t “run free”? I didn’t realize his Hall of Fame ban included being locked up.

I had no issue with him being banned from HOF. He knew exactly what he was doing and the severity of it in the baseball/sports world. He chose to do it anyway. Doesn’t matter what the bets were or whether it impacted the outcomes of the games he bet on. Did he do it because he felt with his place in the record books he wouldn’t receive much in the way of punishment if caught? I don’t know, but with his ego I wouldn’t be surprised.

I haven’t been to the HOF since I was a kid. Are there no mentions of Rose or any of his records at all? Obviously can’t be elected and doesn’t have a plaque, but have read some things that seem to say some of his accomplishments are mentioned. No idea if that is true though.

As far as getting in after his death, I no longer really have a problem with it as long as his betting and ban is featured on his plaque. Those are as important parts of his legacy as his records.
 
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ptgrd23
Hell of a baseball player.

Made a lot of bad decisions in his life.

So sad to see him reduced to signing memorabilia at souveneir shop in Las Vegas for a living.

The St Louis Cardinals offered him the Budweiser distributorship for St. Louis that would have set him up for the life. The owner of the distributorship made so much money he was a bidder for St. Louis NFL franchise (before the Rams came back). Instead Pete signed a 4 year $3.24M contract. $800k/year was highest salary in MLB at the time. If he had good financial advisors they would have told him the distributorship was worth much more.
 
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GILL-INOIS
EyeoftheIllini said:
As far as getting in after his death, I no longer really have a problem with it as long as his betting and ban is featured on his plaque. Those are as important parts of his legacy as his records.
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This late in the game it has less to do with betting on baseball and cheating on taxes and more to do with sleeping with underage girls. Sorry to put this but needs to be addressed and not excused.
 
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Mr. Tibbs
GILL-INOIS said:
This late in the game it has less to do with betting on baseball and cheating on taxes and more to do with sleeping with underage girls. Sorry to put this but needs to be addressed and not excused.
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Pete was no boy scout , that’s for sure
 
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IlliniMot
Rest in peace Charlie Hustle. Pete was a great baseball player, a good manager and, at times, a bad human being. I loved the way he played the game; he left nothing on the field. He managed with aggression and it was a fun brand of baseball to watch. His ill deeds have tarnished all of that and taken away what had been a truly special chapter of baseball's history. Quite the cautionary tale.
 
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splitter
i was never a fan of Pete but have said all along regarding the HOF ... posthumously. Over 4000 hits and all of those years and all-star games at different positions adds up to famous. Pete and others who have broken rules (PED etc.) need to be added. No speeches or ceremonies. and with information about their issues clearly noted. i don't think that Barry Bonds being in diminishes Frank Thomas and his accomplishments, if it is clear that some players used banned substances, and the Big Hurt did not. Pete broke rules but also broke records. Maybe there needs to be a hall of shame in the HOF. It will fill rapidly.
 
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