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My issue with yesterday is I felt we had a game plan to lose from the get go against a team we knew was going to score regardless of how the defense played.

We win the toss and deferred - normally I get that’s the right play but also opened up to what happened, which is early on they scored quickly, crowd got into it, and our philosophy was off schedule after 2 drives that we couldn’t play these ultra long drives.

A lot of conservatism on the opening offensive drives. I get your unlikely to convert that first 3rd and 15 but at the same time, running a draw just ended the possession in a game where you had a down to let your top WRs try to make a play. In any version that we upset them, we were going to have to make a few very low percentage plays.

This was a game to take risks on both sides to try to have splash plays to keep us in. Instead we ran the Penn state playbook against a team that wasn’t gonna beat itself, miss open throws, or have 100 yards in penalties with a 6 year QB at the helm.

To win this game we need to sustain long drives, play bend don’t break defense and play a clean game without penalties. As bad as the defense was our offense didn’t help them out at all. The defense was on the field the whole first half
 
#255      
Look at how they were doing it. Also look at who they were playing against
Yeah, fair point - few of the 34+ point games were against ranked opponents.

But, the point is, he doesn't prefer to be a low scoring team. You can be a ball control offense and put up points. FWIW, I don't put it on Lunney as much as personnel. We just have to keep upgrading the roster. I thought it was a pretty good insight by the OP.
 
#256      
My issue with yesterday is I felt we had a game plan to lose from the get go against a team we knew was going to score regardless of how the defense played.

We win the toss and deferred - normally I get that’s the right play but also opened up to what happened, which is early on they scored quickly, crowd got into it, and our philosophy was off schedule after 2 drives that we couldn’t play these ultra long drives.

A lot of conservatism on the opening offensive drives. I get your unlikely to convert that first 3rd and 15 but at the same time, running a draw just ended the possession in a game where you had a down to let your top WRs try to make a play. In any version that we upset them, we were going to have to make a few very low percentage plays.

This was a game to take risks on both sides to try to have splash plays to keep us in. Instead we ran the Penn state playbook against a team that wasn’t gonna beat itself, miss open throws, or have 100 yards in penalties with a 6 year QB at the helm.
Brett is a conservative coach and his style has kept us in many games that we didn't necessarily have the talent or ability to been in. This time the speed (I'm not going to say talent, Oregon was just faster than us) gap was too big. This is the type of game where us not having a back like Chase Brown who can turn nothing into something hurt us. For the current Illinois team to hold with this Oregon team we needed to have long bruising drives on offense to give our defense rest. We were already tired by the end of the 1st quarter and never caught our breath on the defensive side of the ball.


I will say I don't hate deferring. We knew Oregon was going to score, but if we come out and get a stop before they are full speed and know what we are doing. That build of momentum and a nice power running drive that gets us a TD or FG puts us ahead of the chains so to speak and gives us another chance to keep it close or go ahead after half.


None of it materialized and we got outclassed. It used to happen regularly. The fact that we have to play AT #1 or #3 for it to happen now is a true testament to how far we have come under Brett's tenure. Give it another 3 years of 7-10 win seasons and we start winning these games.
 
#257      
Yeah, fair point - few of the 34+ point games were against ranked opponents.

But, the point is, he doesn't prefer to be a low scoring team. You can be a ball control offense and put up points. FWIW, I don't put it on Lunney as much as personnel. We just have to keep upgrading the roster. I thought it was a pretty good insight by the OP.

Talent definitely needs to be upgraded. I’m not saying he wants low scoring games but I would imagine he wants a power running game where we wear down opponents. Look at what we did to nebraska and Michigan.
 
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Brett is a conservative coach and his style has kept us in many games that we didn't necessarily have the talent or ability to been in. This time the speed (I'm not going to say talent, Oregon was just faster than us) gap was too big. This is the type of game where us not having a back like Chase Brown who can turn nothing into something hurt us. For the current Illinois team to hold with this Oregon team we needed to have long bruising drives on offense to give our defense rest. We were already tired by the end of the 1st quarter and never caught our breath on the defensive side of the ball.


I will say I don't hate deferring. We knew Oregon was going to score, but if we come out and get a stop before they are full speed and know what we are doing. That build of momentum and a nice power running drive that gets us a TD or FG puts us ahead of the chains so to speak and gives us another chance to keep it close or go ahead after half.


None of it materialized and we got outclassed. It used to happen regularly. The fact that we have to play AT #1 or #3 for it to happen now is a true testament to how far we have come under Brett's tenure. Give it another 3 years of 7-10 win seasons and we start winning these games.

Not having Faegin hurt yesterday. Tackling a 250lb rb 10-15 times wears down a defense
 
#260      
You realize we have a head coach that wants a ball control offense
But do we currently have the roster and skills to make it work against a team like Oregon? Maybe that’s why Bret said he accepts responsibility for the loss?
 
#262      
My issue with yesterday is I felt we had a game plan to lose from the get go against a team we knew was going to score regardless of how the defense played.

We win the toss and deferred - normally I get that’s the right play but also opened up to what happened, which is early on they scored quickly, crowd got into it, and our philosophy was off schedule after 2 drives that we couldn’t play these ultra long drives.

A lot of conservatism on the opening offensive drives. I get your unlikely to convert that first 3rd and 15 but at the same time, running a draw just ended the possession in a game where you had a down to let your top WRs try to make a play. In any version that we upset them, we were going to have to make a few very low percentage plays.

This was a game to take risks on both sides to try to have splash plays to keep us in. Instead we ran the Penn state playbook against a team that wasn’t gonna beat itself, miss open throws, or have 100 yards in penalties with a 6 year QB at the helm.
While I do agree that we needed to be more aggressive early, especially defensively in my opinion, I also think that our coaches did put our players in position to make plays early and they just didn't execute. The deferred kickoff is one example of that. We played great 1st and 2nd down defense, we had them dead to rights on that 3rd and 7 screen and Bailey whiffed the tackle. Would've been a quick 3 and out but instead turned into a touchdown drive. We had another chance that drive to stop them on 3rd down but decided to only rush 3. That's where you point to Henry and ask why was that the game plan considering coming into the game that Gabriel had mediocre stats at best when blitzed (not even pressured, just blitzed) while he was the #3 college QB in the country when given a clean pocket. And that one more goes to your point of coaches putting players in non-advantageous positions.

Overall though, how we played yesterday wasn't going to beat a whole lot of teams. Whiffed tackles, missed tackles, bad reads, completely whiffed blocks. Just a ton of poor execution on display. Had we executed the way we had been most of this season, it's entirely possible we 3 and our them on their first drive, go down the field on an extended scoring drive and maybe you get a different game. It's still unlikely you win, but it was just a bad game all around. The most important thing about a game like this is you come out of it angry with your own play, and prove to yourself you're better than that next week
 
#266      
It would have to be perfect storm for us to win that game. My biggest issue is how bad we have recruited prep linemen on both sides of the ball
don’t want to think ahead too far, but our defensive line for next year terrifies me from a competitive standpoint for this reason.
 
#267      
don’t want to think ahead too far, but our defensive line for next year terrifies me from a competitive standpoint for this reason.

I honestly like Bray, Farrell, Warren and McCollum as players. The problem is they were rushed onto the field out of necessity. Unless you are a blue chip recruit it’s hard to make an impact on the line as an underclassmen. Farrell was only 225lbs when he signed with us and now he’s in the DT rotation as a redshirt freshman.
 
#268      
2022 was much better to this point of the season but then fell off fairly hard, the strong performance at the Big House notwithstanding.

Our bruising, bullying run game got a bit nicked up and that offense never really had a countermove.

Hopefully this team is in a better position to finish strong.


Probably depends on the margins of victory and defeat. You could imagine a version of that where Indiana is just so obviously a much better team that it has to be them.

But two losses for Indiana and us ending with four straight wins might just as likely swing the pendulum the other way.
Curious who we think Indiana is going to lose to. I see them beating Ohio st.
Could be an awesome title game between Oregon and Indiana
 
#274      
Probably in November. Bret was actually annoyed by this during his radio show. He pointed out they are competing with weddings and events that schedule a year out and they are stuck with far away hotels sometimes with how long it takes them to release the schedule.
Perhaps the Big 10 should secure a block of rooms for the visiting team at every conference football weekend at every school? If there is no home game then they could release them when the schedule is released. A bidding process might result in favorable deals.
 
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