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Ty Rodgers to take redshirt year
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Yeah let's keep this thread rolling through the entire season
Well, my take is, we will miss and continue to love Ty, no matter how this plays out. We absolutely hope and want Tre to play well, too.
Think it’s time to shut this thread down.
Think it’s time to shut this thread down.
Find you somebody who loves you the way @illini510 loves Ty.
illini510 carried him for 9 months
I get the piling on of illini510, but honestly I find both sides of this Ty vs. Tre discussion ridiculous as both sides seem to be picking and choosing arguments based on very small sample size while ignoring seasons worth of data.
For Tre, talent has never been the question. He has that. It's whether he is going to fully commit and show intensity on the defensive side of the ball, and whether he can play an efficient style of offense. He played an absolutely outstanding all-around game against SIUE, but, it is definitely fair to question his defensive effort against EIU (and if you really want the Ole Miss exhibition) and it's also fair to question whether his very efficient start and focusing more on 3pt shots than midrange with a 43% 3pt shooting is actually repeatable for a career 29% 3pt shooter whose historical preference has been midrange jumpers with a pedestrian 1.04ppp.
Meanwhile for Ty, it is ok to say that he has been a much more consistent and plus defender in his career, always gives full effort, and that his offensive rebounding prowess is one of the best in the nation and simply not replaceable. But there also has to be realization that Tre has a much much much larger offensive skill set, can spread the floor, and that Ty's offense is almost exclusively his offensive rebound putbacks and 2nd chance pts. And in an offense looking to spread you out and shoot threes and layups, that really doesn't play towards Ty's strengths.
One hilarious thing though is that one could make a pretty convincing argument that Tre and Ty actually complement each other offensively. Tre historically loves the inefficient midrange jumpers while driving to the hoop and drawing attention and fouls and Ty historically has extreme success crashing the offensive boards on midrange shots. Ty would probably do a lot of cleanup for Tre and if help defense starts accounting for Ty, Tre will get easier 1 on 1 matchups and more efficient attempts closer to the rim.
For Tre, talent has never been the question. He has that. It's whether he is going to fully commit and show intensity on the defensive side of the ball, and whether he can play an efficient style of offense. He played an absolutely outstanding all-around game against SIUE, but, it is definitely fair to question his defensive effort against EIU (and if you really want the Ole Miss exhibition) and it's also fair to question whether his very efficient start and focusing more on 3pt shots than midrange with a 43% 3pt shooting is actually repeatable for a career 29% 3pt shooter whose historical preference has been midrange jumpers with a pedestrian 1.04ppp.
Meanwhile for Ty, it is ok to say that he has been a much more consistent and plus defender in his career, always gives full effort, and that his offensive rebounding prowess is one of the best in the nation and simply not replaceable. But there also has to be realization that Tre has a much much much larger offensive skill set, can spread the floor, and that Ty's offense is almost exclusively his offensive rebound putbacks and 2nd chance pts. And in an offense looking to spread you out and shoot threes and layups, that really doesn't play towards Ty's strengths.
One hilarious thing though is that one could make a pretty convincing argument that Tre and Ty actually complement each other offensively. Tre historically loves the inefficient midrange jumpers while driving to the hoop and drawing attention and fouls and Ty historically has extreme success crashing the offensive boards on midrange shots. Ty would probably do a lot of cleanup for Tre and if help defense starts accounting for Ty, Tre will get easier 1 on 1 matchups and more efficient attempts closer to the rim.
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Honestly, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter about this futile Tre vs Ty comparison. Clearly Ty was seen as a role player for this team by Brad, and that had to be communicated to him. Otherwise, Ty would not be redshirting. It really is as simple as that, and none of these hypothetical analyses matter. I personally choose to trust Brad over virtually everybody on this board on their opinions of roles for players.
Who were Tim Anderson recruits besides Ty, Dainja, and Morez ?
If Ty could shoot or even be a small threat to shoot, he would be starting instead of Tre. But as much as I and many other Illini love Ty, with him be unwilling to shoot during games last year, including at least 20 wide open layups, he is an offensive liability. We know he made strides over the summer, but if we look at the two exhibition games he refuses to shoot the ball. And I am willing to bet that is how it is even in practice, he is passing up those shots.
Now, where ever he goes next year, I would love to see Ty take 10 attempts again with at least 2 3pt attempts a game. If he is shoots 60-70% overall he will be able to average a Double Double easily. I wish him the best and hope he succeeds.
Now, where ever he goes next year, I would love to see Ty take 10 attempts again with at least 2 3pt attempts a game. If he is shoots 60-70% overall he will be able to average a Double Double easily. I wish him the best and hope he succeeds.
Tim Anderson has recruited several notable players during his time at Illinois, including Terrence Shannon Jr., Ty Rodgers, Morez Johnson Jr., Dra Gibbs-Lawhorn, Skyy Clark, and others. His deep ties to the Chicago area and experience on the AAU circuit have been instrumental in building a strong recruiting network for the program. Some of the other recruits include Matthew Mayer. Some of the impact transfers for Illinois basketball include Keaton Kutcher from South Dakota, Ben Humrichous from Evansville, Jake Davis from Mercer, and Kylan Boswell from Arizona. These players bring valuable experience and skills to the team, helping to bolster the roster for the upcoming season
This is according to AI
Is Morez a TA recruit? I thought he committed like a year before we got TA on staff. (or something like that)
Here’s one with real potential for ya:
Just before the (pick any big game…or the BTT or the first weekend of the dance) Ty gets sick and unknowingly spreads it to the entire starting lineup, forcing them to sit out for several games.
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Are you Ty’s mom?
TSJ? Skyy? ...
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