May I ask... what is ur definition of "superstar"? And criteria?
Pregame: Illinois vs Alabama, Wednesday, November 20th, 8:00pm CT, SECN
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Do you mind explaining this a little? Thx
Yea. BPR is highest yet adjusted team margin is lowest. Makes no sense.
If you go to his web page there is a definition of each metric. Hover over the heading.
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So Tomi's OBPR is near 0? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, lol.If you go to his web page there is a definition of each metric. Hover over the heading.
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GrayGhost77
- Centennial, CO
There is no way those numbers are correct. Tomislav being that low is basically impossible given what he's done the first few games. Something is off and I don't think his numbers are accurate as of now.If you go to his web page there is a definition of each metric. Hover over the heading.
EvanMiya CBB Analytics
Advanced college basketball analytics used widely by coaches, journalists, and fans.
Box BPR is a player's personal stats and tries to remove team impact. But, because no player plays a game alone, the true BPRs (the first three columns) are what matter, because it shows how the player impacts the team's performance as well as how the other team is doing against him. Both of Boswell's Box BPRs are negative, and yet his true BPRs are so positive he's the top player by BPR on the team after three games, indicating some major intangible value he brings that elevates the other four guys on the floor on both offense and defense.
(Think of BPR like WAR in baseball where there's oWAR and dWAR, but because it's easier to judge individual performances in baseball (offense is a solo effort and fielding despite often being a team effort can be judged solo), basketball requires the in-between step of box BPR.)
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I married into a Bama family. They couldn’t care less about bball. I don’t even need to get into the difference in the football programs….
A win would mean a lot to this guy
A win would mean a lot to this guy
Tacomallini
- Washington State
I’m about to do my annual reminder to an Army buddy, from Bama, that they have a basketball team, and are pretty good. Usually it’s during March Madness but will come earlier this seasonI married into a Bama family. They couldn’t care less about bball. I don’t even need to get into the difference in the football programs….
A win would mean a lot to this guy
Coleman was fluid and moved well but I wouldn't exactly call him explosive.
The look on their faces when I told them they would be top 3 to start the season made me want to throw up
RichardKeenesCousin
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weird way to tell us you married your cousinI married into a Bama family. They couldn’t care less about bball. I don’t even need to get into the difference in the football programs….
A win would mean a lot to this guy
Homecoming 2019
- Chicago
He married into his family, he was already a part of the family, but he married into it too.
As Mitch Hedberg once said:
Joel Goodson
- how was I to know, she was with the Russians too?
Hedburg was great. RIP
texillwek
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I married into a Bama family. They couldn’t care less about bball. I don’t even need to get into the difference in the football programs….
A win would mean a lot to this guy
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
I always find this phenomenon SO bizarre, lol. I like to read opposing fans' message boards before we play them to get a sort of opposite perspective on our Illini, and it is always such a bummer and a disappointment when schools we've played in the past like Miami (FL), Notre Dame, Florida State, etc. literally have like no online presence. When you look around and see how active and big the Illini FOOTBALL fan base is online over the years ... I really struggle to see why these schools' fans often cannot even be bothered to care when they have nationally ranked basketball teams.I married into a Bama family. They couldn’t care less about bball. I don’t even need to get into the difference in the football programs….
A win would mean a lot to this guy
On a slight aside, I really do enjoy that the (traditional) Big Ten fan bases are by and large some of the better "two-sport fan bases" in the nation ... with obvious exceptions for when a program is just awful, all of the old Big Ten schools generally have great support for both football and basketball within reason. The only exceptions I can really think of are:
1. Northwestern's inherently tiny fan base, but they have proven they can come out and support them.
2. The exceptionally cringe "Reversible Jacket" trend in Indiana, where IU basketball fans are Notre Dame football fans.
3. Penn State (if you will count them as "traditional") basketball in general having really bad fan support compared to the other big state schools in the league.
Attendance ebbs and flows with bad programs, of course, but in general ... a little excitement can fill up the arenas at Minnesota or Iowa pretty easily. And the basic point is that I am glad that there do not seem to be hardly any reversible jacket scenarios in our conference, with the exception of the Indiana example. In general, Illini basketball fans are Illini football fans, and Iowa football fans are Iowa basketball fans. I have literally read online about people who are Alabama football and Duke basketball fans or Clemson football and UNC basketball fans. That would be so incredibly lame and infuriating if you didn't even feel like you could "get Alabama back" during basketball season because a disproportionate number of their fans just bandwagon a random Blue Blood.
RabidDawgClassic
- Los Angeles, CA
I know a guy who is a:I always find this phenomenon SO bizarre, lol. I like to read opposing fans' message boards before we play them to get a sort of opposite perspective on our Illini, and it is always such a bummer and a disappointment when schools we've played in the past like Miami (FL), Notre Dame, Florida State, etc. literally have like no online presence. When you look around and see how active and big the Illini FOOTBALL fan base is online over the years ... I really struggle to see why these schools' fans often cannot even be bothered to care when they have nationally ranked basketball teams.
On a slight aside, I really do enjoy that the (traditional) Big Ten fan bases are by and large some of the better "two-sport fan bases" in the nation ... with obvious exceptions for when a program is just awful, all of the old Big Ten schools generally have great support for both football and basketball within reason. The only exceptions I can really think of are:
1. Northwestern's inherently tiny fan base, but they have proven they can come out and support them.
2. The exceptionally cringe "Reversible Jacket" trend in Indiana, where IU basketball fans are Notre Dame football fans.
3. Penn State (if you will count them as "traditional") basketball in general having really bad fan support compared to the other big state schools in the league.
Attendance ebbs and flows with bad programs, of course, but in general ... a little excitement can fill up the arenas at Minnesota or Iowa pretty easily. And the basic point is that I am glad that there do not seem to be hardly any reversible jacket scenarios in our conference, with the exception of the Indiana example. In general, Illini basketball fans are Illini football fans, and Iowa football fans are Iowa basketball fans. I have literally read online about people who are Alabama football and Duke basketball fans or Clemson football and UNC basketball fans. That would be so incredibly lame and infuriating if you didn't even feel like you could "get Alabama back" during basketball season because a disproportionate number of their fans just bandwagon a random Blue Blood.
Duke college basketball fan
Yankees baseball fan
Dallas Cowboys NFL fan
Whichever team LeBron plays for NBA fan.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
No offense to your friend, but this is grounds for revoking one's Man Card, haha. As my dad once said, "being a sports fan builds character ... especially when you cheer for teams from our state." The bandwagoners not only look cringe and unprincipled ... they miss out on SO much of the meaningfulness of sports. The highs mean a lot more when you feel like you have been a part of the journey through all of the lows, and cheering for a team is a lot more fun if you feel like you have an actual REASON to support that team (e.g., being an alum, cheering for your state flagship team, cheering for a school your parent went to, etc.).
RabidDawgClassic
- Los Angeles, CA
No offense taken. None whatsoever.
I have a friend that is:
College basketball- Illini
College football - Ohio State
NFL - Cowboys
MLB - Cubs
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
This got me thinking at what the biggest splits would be for "one-sport fandom" schools (obviously not accounting for LITERAL "one-sport" schools ... obviously there are no Marquette football fans, lol).
1. Notre Dame probably takes the cake ... legions of bandwagoners across the nation for its football program, and I'd wager less than 5% of them consider themselves Notre Dame basketball fans.
2. Duke basketball vs. Duke football has got to be one of the more dramatic drop-offs out there. I wouldn't be surprised if it approaches the Notre Dame situation in reverse on a ratio basis.
3. Penn State football to basketball seems like a colossal drop-off. While PSU football doesn't have the national (and I would say "random") appeal of Notre Dame or Alabama or whatever, it seems like within Pennsylvania and the surrounding regions, you have a ton of people who might be, say, PSU football and Villanova basketball fans.
4. Alabama, as discussed. However, while their bandwagon fans across the nation probably pick a random basketball Blue Blood to cheer for, I think within the state of Alabama it's more a question of passion. In other words, I think most local Alabama football fans are "Alabama basketball fans" ... it's more an issue of not really caring.
For other schools like Ohio State football, Michigan football, Kentucky basketball, etc. where one sport seems like a much bigger brand, I think it's often more of an issue closer to #4 than the three above that. I think a lot of OSU or Michigan football fans don't necessarily have a separate favorite basketball program ... they just don't engage with the basketball side of things nearly as much. Would love to hear anecdotal cringe examples of the reversible jacket phenomenon from others who live across the nation! I even once heard a friend who lives in Pasadena say that there are a lot of casuals out there who cheer for USC football and UCLA basketball ... something any self-respecting person would find utterly embarrassing.
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