Illini Basketball 2024-2025

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Not to mention, the quicker you get drafted the sooner you get your second NBA contract, which is where the money really balloons… as long as you are a baller.

I think KJ is going to be a guy we hear about long after his days as an Illini, so the cost of delaying being drafted is actually more than simply what he would earn as a rookie. It’s also the difference between what he could make in year 5 after free agency vs year 4 of a rookie deal.
The cost of delaying is typically the value of your final years contract.
The cost of going too soon is you might not stick, when another years experience might make it work really well. (Ayo)
The cost of going too late (stick around after a really good year) is you might not do as well next year.

Oh to have such problems.
 
#152      
One of the upsides of going to college as opposed to staying in Europe. You see many young European players even at ages 20-22 who are still very skinny and can't compete with grown men. But I've seen quite a few Lithuanians in recent years go to college in the US and very quickly develop NBA ready bodies (Sabonis, Marciulionis, now Jakucionis).
 
#153      
He’s going to be a lottery pick so there would be no amount possible. Every year in college he plays, he gives up a year in the NBA where he could be making 30/40/50 mil a year down the road on his second contract. The key to NBA wealth and success is finding the fastest way to stick in the league (that’s generally by being a 1st rd or lotto pick to get your foot in the door). Then the big money is your 2nd contract. KJ’s certainly done enough to be a 1st rd and probable lotto pick. There’s no benefit to coming back.

His closest comp is gonna be Reed Sheppard from last year. The good news is Reed went #3 last year. The bad news is he’s already out of the Rockets rotation. Not good for a top 5 pick. Obviously the goal is to be Tatum, not Fultz. But he will have a chance to prove himself in the league
I'll just add that Sheppard got a bit unlucky with the circumstances. Rockets seemingly became a contender overnight and Thompson/Eason made huge strides in their development, both in the areas where their skillsets overlap with Reed (defensive side) as well as areas where they were behind Reed (shooting and playmaking), so Sheppard didn't quite get the chance to hit the ground running as many people hoped. But his defensive playmaking still seemed to translate to the NBA (he's averaging over a block and almost 2 steals PER36). And I guess only a matter of time when his shot starts falling.
 
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I'll just add that Sheppard got a bit unlucky with the circumstances. Rockets seemingly became a contender overnight and Thompson/Eason made huge strides in their development, both in the areas where their skillsets overlap with Reed (defensive side) as well as areas where they were behind Reed (shooting and playmaking), so Sheppard didn't quite get the chance to hit the ground running as many people hoped. But his defensive playmaking still seemed to translate to the NBA (he's averaging over a block and almost 2 steals PER36). And I guess only a matter of time when his shot starts falling.
Hmm I don’t watch much NBA, but I do follow somewhat.

Isn’t Thompson a 3/4? Eason a 4/5? Reed a 1/2?
 
#156      
Hmm I don’t watch much NBA, but I do follow somewhat.

Isn’t Thompson a 3/4? Eason a 4/5? Reed a 1/2?

I play a lot of DFS so follow it rather meticulously. Thompson can play 1/2/3 but yeah, Eason would never be taking minutes from Sheppard as he strictly plays forward positions. Currently, Aaron Holiday is his primary competition for the spot/backup PG minutes.

Here's a cool little tool I use to figure out substitution patterns: https://popcornmachine.net/

Clicking on 'Game Flow' for each HOU game, will give you a little insight into who is playing, when they're playing, and who else is on the floor with them.

EDIT: I should correct myself a tad as @LTUtd points out below that Eason would take some minutes from Reed by domino effect through the versatility of players like Eason & Thompson.
 
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Hmm I don’t watch much NBA, but I do follow somewhat.

Isn’t Thompson a 3/4? Eason a 4/5? Reed a 1/2?
Their perimeter/wing players are very interchangeable and offer lots of defensive versatility to come up with different effective lineups. You're right that Eason (SF/PF) doesn't directly overlap with Reed (PG/SG), but him being able to play SF minutes allows to slide Amen (SG/SF/PF) to SG at times, which cuts into Reed's potential minutes. Then you also have Dillon Brooks (SG/SF) who's a good defensive player and can knock down threes. Not to mention the Rockets still giving a lot of PG/SG minutes to Jalen Green in advance when he's clearly shown he doesn't deserve them. And of course there's Fred VanVleet who's good defensively and spends all of his minutes at PG. And as NarrowJ mentioned there's also Aaron Holiday to compete with for backup PG minutes. Really quite a logjam there.
 
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I don't have any behind the scenes knowledge, so this could be way off. But, it seems like Tyler Underwood has done a great job at helping Brad change his offensive style. 2 years in a row their offense has completely 180'd and played to the strengths of the team.
 
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I don't have any behind the scenes knowledge, so this could be way off. But, it seems like Tyler Underwood has done a great job at helping Brad change his offensive style. 2 years in a row their offense has completely 180'd and played to the strengths of the team.
He had done that practically every year except the 1st when he tried to impose his SFA defense on the team and league. He is very adaptable
 
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He had done that practically every year except the 1st when he tried to impose his SFA defense on the team and league. He is very adaptable
In the recent podcast with Goodman and Hummel, Underwood said "he was mandated to change his defense if he wanted to keep his job". I took that to mean that he realized the defense was never going to work at this level. But the phrasing almost sounds like he was told to change it.

But yeah, for as much flack as he receives for being stubborn (and he can be), adaptability may be his greatest strength.
 
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In the recent podcast with Goodman and Hummel, Underwood said "he was mandated to change his defense if he wanted to keep his job". I took that to mean that he realized the defense was never going to work at this level. But the phrasing almost sounds like he was told to change it.

But yeah, for as much flack as he receives for being stubborn (and he can be), adaptability may be his greatest strength.
Did you listen to the whole podcast with Underwood? I did last night and Underwood went on about this. He said the players are too good and the coaching is too good in our conference. He said he’d have been fired for failing as a coach because they wouldn’t win.
 
#164      
Did you listen to the whole podcast with Underwood? I did last night and Underwood went on about this. He said the players are too good and the coaching is too good in our conference. He said he’d have been fired for failing as a coach because they wouldn’t win.
I did. He also suggested that the way the game is called on the road in this league makes it hard to play an aggressive on the line up the line defense.
 
#165      
In the recent podcast with Goodman and Hummel, Underwood said "he was mandated to change his defense if he wanted to keep his job". I took that to mean that he realized the defense was never going to work at this level. But the phrasing almost sounds like he was told to change it.

But yeah, for as much flack as he receives for being stubborn (and he can be), adaptability may be his greatest strength.
agree Underwood adapts to his team and situation but IMO he is NOT great at adapting in the moment/game
 
#166      
agree Underwood adapts to his team and situation but IMO he is NOT great at adapting in the moment/game
I would say that's a fair assessment. I don't think he really tries to adapt in game that much. Although he's pretty good about going with the hot hand or going back to certain actions over and over if they're working.

In general though, I think his philosophy is to trust his and his team's preparation. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it backfires. It's kind of like, in golf, if you start trying to change up your swing in the middle of a round, 9 times out of 10, you're only going to make things worse. But every once in a while you'll have an epiphany and figure something out that saves your round.
 
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keep in mind, KJ turns down threes at a 3-4 per game rate easy. hard to believe he's
a little too unselfish. sometimes they are for better shots, but how much better is a top
of the key three with no defensive pressure?
 
#168      
has anyone written/commented on little brad's timeout huddle coaching?
is that one thing that drove last years assistants away? i don't want to start
something that isn't a problem, but....
 
#169      
keep in mind, KJ turns down threes at a 3-4 per game rate easy. hard to believe he's
a little too unselfish. sometimes they are for better shots, but how much better is a top
of the key three with no defensive pressure?
I agree. The kid has such a great feel for the game, I wonder if it doesn’t just boil down to how he feels in the moment. He won’t take a shot when he’s open then later he will take a step back when he’s covered…and drill it.
I just assume he trusts his gut so much he won’t shoot if he isn’t feeling it.
Or maybe he just focuses on getting everyone else going, until the game is on the line.
The kid certainly has stones.
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#170      
I highly recommend the Werner/LaTulip podcast that just came out. Part of it is on the home page here, but here is the link for the whole podcast (I don’t know how to insert the whole thing in a post).
It almost seems as if they read Loyalty because they address the BH controversy (spoiler alert: they don’t think his minutes should be reduced, and his defense has been pretty good, but there is a lot more) and go into it at length. They go into too much detail for me to sum it up adequately. LaTulip also talks about the upset win over #1 Indiana in 2013, which was pretty interesting; a nice first-hand account.

Ep. 912 - Mike LaTulip on Illini's B1G start, No. 1 Tennessee
 
#172      
I highly recommend the Werner/LaTulip podcast that just came out. Part of it is on the home page here, but here is the link for the whole podcast (I don’t know how to insert the whole thing in a post).
It almost seems as if they read Loyalty because they address the BH controversy (spoiler alert: they don’t think his minutes should be reduced, and his defense has been pretty good, but there is a lot more) and go into it at length. They go into too much detail for me to sum it up adequately. LaTulip also talks about the upset win over #1 Indiana in 2013, which was pretty interesting; a nice first-hand account.

Ep. 912 - Mike LaTulip on Illini's B1G start, No. 1 Tennessee
I'm going to shamelessly take this opportunity to say, "I told you so". (Not "you" specifically, Guest)
In the offseason I compared KJ to Evan Turner and was pretty much dismissed.
Now, twice in the last week, he's been compared to Evan Turner by Hummel and MLT.
The list of players who do / have done what KJ does is a short one.
 
#173      
I highly recommend the Werner/LaTulip podcast that just came out. Part of it is on the home page here, but here is the link for the whole podcast (I don’t know how to insert the whole thing in a post).
It almost seems as if they read Loyalty because they address the BH controversy (spoiler alert: they don’t think his minutes should be reduced, and his defense has been pretty good, but there is a lot more) and go into it at length. They go into too much detail for me to sum it up adequately. LaTulip also talks about the upset win over #1 Indiana in 2013, which was pretty interesting; a nice first-hand account.

Ep. 912 - Mike LaTulip on Illini's B1G start, No. 1 Tennessee
MLT also said our Hum/Tomi lineup matches up better with Tenn than does Rez/Tomi because it will pull their big out to defend where he can’t be a rim protector in the paint.

I like our chances tomorrow if we can limit turnovers and crash the offensive glass - in other words, get more shots on goal than they do…

It’s not every year we get a crack at toppling #1‼️

🏀 LET’S GET EXCITED, SPORTS FANS‼️
💪 :illinois:
 
#174      
In the recent podcast with Goodman and Hummel, Underwood said "he was mandated to change his defense if he wanted to keep his job". I took that to mean that he realized the defense was never going to work at this level. But the phrasing almost sounds like he was told to change it.

But yeah, for as much flack as he receives for being stubborn (and he can be), adaptability may be his greatest strength.
BU will change to be successful, but he doesn't overreact. He doesn't make quick changes of course in his evaluations but gives an approach time to either prove itself or fail before moving on. I would not call it stubborn, but deliberate.
It could be argued that his approach does fail on occasion when he does not change things up in game. Maybe it is a faith that if he sticks with the game plan, things will eventually turn his way (and they sometimes don't).
No coach is perfect in all his decisions, especially in hindsight. But I'm definitely not going to complain about the results he has produced.
 
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