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Grandpa
EyeoftheIllini said:
Who is they? I don’t think he’ll get a 15 year contract (he’s not Soto) and even if he did, I think it still would be under $500M. I think we’re talking about 9 years in $250M to $280M. More likely the Cubs will look to sign his to a 4 to 6 year extension that would give him more money this year than he’d get in arbitration and allow give him time for another big contract in his career. I certainly could be wrong, but I just don’t see him getting a 15 year contract.
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sports.yahoo.com

With addition of Kyle Tucker, Chicago Cubs are instantly better — but for just one year

The former Astros outfielder, who will be a free agent next offseason, is now the best bat in the Cubs' lineup.
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I read several stories yesterday and didn't find the "North of 500 million" story today. This one says $4 to $5
From the second story down.

"Tucker entering free agency after the 2025 season is almost a certainty, according to sources. After Soto signed his record-breaking deal, players such as Tucker and Vladimir Guerrero Jr., who is also set to be a free agent next winter, are even more incentivized to let the free-agent process play out, with potentially a $400 million-500 million payday awaiting them at the end."
 
#27      
EyeoftheIllini
Grandpa said:
sports.yahoo.com

With addition of Kyle Tucker, Chicago Cubs are instantly better — but for just one year

The former Astros outfielder, who will be a free agent next offseason, is now the best bat in the Cubs' lineup.
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I read several stories yesterday and didn't find the "North of 500 million" story today. This one says $4 to $5
From the second story down.

"Tucker entering free agency after the 2025 season is almost a certainty, according to sources. After Soto signed his record-breaking deal, players such as Tucker and Vladimir Guerrero Jr., who is also set to be a free agent next winter, are even more incentivized to let the free-agent process play out, with potentially a $400 million-500 million payday awaiting them at the end."
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Thanks for article. I still don’t see it, but who knows.
 
#28      
Grandpa
EyeoftheIllini said:
Thanks for article. I still don’t see it, but who knows.
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I don't see it either, but unless you have a cap like the NFL there are going to be owners who have more money than brains. To win you have to compete with them, and beat them. 2023 worked out for a couple of those teams, but it more often is one of the dummies winning.
 
#29      
bdutts
Cubs rumored to be in on a left handed starter from Miami whose name escapes me. Triantos or Caissie would be the centerpiece.
 
#32      
Defrost
EyeoftheIllini said:
Your numbers are probably better than mine. I just don’t see $500M like the original poster said people were projecting. He’s a year older than Soto I think and doesn’t have the same power numbers nor cache. His steals are nice, but he’s a good sized dude so those will come down as he ages. What I really like about him is he’s never hit 100 strikeouts, though he’s never been that close to 600 ABs either.
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All I've been hearing on the radio is 300 - 400 is the starting point, so I'll probably be way off, but like you, I find it hard to believe it'll end up that high. Either way I do like the trade though.
 
#33      
EyeoftheIllini
Defrost said:
All I've been hearing on the radio is 300 - 400 is the starting point, so I'll probably be way off, but like you, I find it hard to believe it'll end up that high. Either way I do like the trade though.
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This trade is very interesting for me as a Cubs fan. When I first saw it, I absolutely loved it. When I realized Tucker was only under team control for the one year, I felt it was a bad trade if Cubs couldn’t extend/re-sign him. I still feel that way overall, but certainly debatable as to how bad. If Tucker doesn’t re-sign but has the type of year he is more than capable of, what really did Cubs give up. The two major leaguers aren’t big losses, and while Cam Smith is a very good prospect I don’t know if he is an elite prospect. That doesn’t mean he couldn’t end up a star, but certainly not guaranteed. So he very likely doesn’t help at all this year and may well not next year. Could well be 2027 season before he is at least making a solid+ contribution.

Trade doesn’t happen if Smith isn’t a part of it. I certainly understand why Cubs made the deal and, frankly, it is the kind of trade and gamble they needed to make. Hopefully they can re-sign Tucker and any angst I feel is a non-factor.
 
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ChiIllini75
The Tucker trade essentially boils down to what Smith turns into. Paredes profiles as hitting better in Houston, so even if he puts up good numbers I wouldn't assume he would have done the same for the Cubs. Wesneski probably has another level that we haven't seen, the whole has been less than the sum of the parts.

I fully assume Tucker does not resign beyond this year. That is ok unless Smith becomes a much bigger talent than Matt Shaw basically.
 
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Emerson Bigguns
ChiIllini75 said:
The Tucker trade essentially boils down to what Smith turns into. Paredes profiles as hitting better in Houston, so even if he puts up good numbers I wouldn't assume he would have done the same for the Cubs. Wesneski probably has another level that we haven't seen, the whole has been less than the sum of the parts.

I fully assume Tucker does not resign beyond this year. That is ok unless Smith becomes a much bigger talent than Matt Shaw basically.
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Paredes was born to play in Houston. Dead pull hitter with warning track power. He will almost certainly put up much better numbers there than here. The home away splits will tell the tale.
Wesneski has a great arm, but that’s the story of his career. He’s a thrower, not a pitcher. Maybe that changes, but we have plenty of other guys like him.
Who knows with Smith…. A few years ago we’d have been beside ourselves if we traded Brennan Davis. We DFA’d him last month. Prospects are a crapshoot, even really talented ones.
Tucker is the star we’ve been missing. We haven’t had a legit #3/4 hitter since our championship window closed. (Maybe Bellinger for about 6 weeks last year…) Hopefully, he enjoys the season and decides this is where he wants to be & Ricketts decides he’s worth hanging on to.
 
#37      
Yes33
If we don’t win this year, it will be like the Quintana for Cease / Jimenez trade, maybe worse because we at least had Quintana for a few years. Now they are looking at a pitcher coming off injury (Luzardo) for more top prospects. Seems like Hoyer needs to find someone else to negotiate.
 
#38      
ChiIllini75
President of Baseball Operations who is on his last legs tends to get you lots of short term thinking. The Tucker trade has possibilities, going after Luzardo for Caissie and Triantos would be another flavor of risky.
 
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Warren Carter Fanclub
-Is the Cubs pursuit of Luzardo and Castillo a telling sign that they don't think they have a shot at Roki ?

-Don't rush just giving Belli away. Trade him if you get what you want but wait for the market to come to you. PCA improved as the season went on and I think he continues to but what do you do if he's hitting.150 in mid May? His sample size is not extremely large.
 
#41      
Grandpa
Warren Carter Fanclub said:
-Is the Cubs pursuit of Luzardo and Castillo a telling sign that they don't think they have a shot at Roki ?

-Don't rush just giving Belli away. Trade him if you get what you want but wait for the market to come to you. PCA improved as the season went on and I think he continues to but what do you do if he's hitting.150 in mid May? His sample size is not extremely large.
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I'm with you on Beli, don't give him away. He is probably our best 2 strike hitter, great clutch RBI guy.

Shame on you for slandering PCA! 410 Plate Appearances last season, he has it under control and isn't looking back. Final fifty-ish games (pulled that number out of my rear) the entire attitude in the ballpark(s) changed when he was at bat, on base, or when the ball was hit to the middle 2/3 of the outfield.
Happ says PCA is a 6 WAR player.

Go Cubs Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
#42      
EyeoftheIllini
Warren Carter Fanclub said:
-Is the Cubs pursuit of Luzardo and Castillo a telling sign that they don't think they have a shot at Roki ?

-Don't rush just giving Belli away. Trade him if you get what you want but wait for the market to come to you. PCA improved as the season went on and I think he continues to but what do you do if he's hitting.150 in mid May? His sample size is not extremely large.
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I really haven’t heard much noise about Roki going to Cubs, though who knows. So I think pursuit of other SPs is probably a sign Cubs aren’t anywhere near confident. As to Bellinger, I don’t think they plan to give him away. Most of what I’ve read has them being close to trade with NYY with the hold up being money. I think trade makes too much sense for Yanks not to happen. We’ll see.
 
#44      
bdutts
ChiIllini75 said:
President of Baseball Operations who is on his last legs tends to get you lots of short term thinking. The Tucker trade has possibilities, going after Luzardo for Caissie and Triantos would be another flavor of risky.
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The report I saw said Caissie OR Triantos COULD be the centerpiece of a trade. I wouldn't send either guy over there for a guy coming off an injury. Someone further down the prospect list, sure.
 
#45      
Illinirog70
bdutts said:
The report I saw said Caissie OR Triantos COULD be the centerpiece of a trade. I wouldn't send either guy over there for a guy coming off an injury. Someone further down the prospect list, sure.
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The Cubs want/need a starting pitcher. Trading minor leaguers for a major league starter who has very good potential is always tricky, but if he's marginally successful, he would be worth both of them and then some.
This isn't a meat market but, wouldn't you trade two pounds of hamburger for one pound of steak? Cubs will do their due diligence to see if he's healthy or not and if he is, I'd be all in...

Plus, I know I overvalue our minor leaguers because I'm familiar with them, but no one is clamoring for either Caissie or Triantos to be brought up to Chicago. They both have warts on them, positionally or strike out-wise...

Go Cubs! don't stop now!
 
#46      
RockfordIllini
Watched more of last night’s game than I had in several weeks. Williams lacked timing and rhythm. His footwork and mechanics were bad and he missed several open throws and didn’t even see several more open receivers. I think they’ve broken him. Surprised it took this long.

I think I saw a stat that 3 of the highest sack totals then bears have allowed in its history have occurred the last 4 years (a random cutler year in there, guessing it was the Martz year), with this year being the most.

Just an abomination with a former O lineman as a GM.

Edit: whoops, wrong thread.
 
#47      
Warren Carter Fanclub
RockfordIllini said:
Watched more of last night’s game than I had in several weeks. Williams lacked timing and rhythm. His footwork and mechanics were bad and he missed several open throws and didn’t even see several more open receivers. I think they’ve broken him. Surprised it took this long.

I think I saw a stat that 3 of the highest sack totals then bears have allowed in its history have occurred the last 4 years (a random cutler year in there, guessing it was the Martz year), with this year being the most.

Just an abomination with a former O lineman as a GM.

Edit: whoops, wrong thread.
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Sheesh. I came here to get away from the Bears !
 
#48      
Warren Carter Fanclub
EyeoftheIllini said:
I really haven’t heard much noise about Roki going to Cubs, though who knows. So I think pursuit of other SPs is probably a sign Cubs aren’t anywhere near confident. As to Bellinger, I don’t think they plan to give him away. Most of what I’ve read has them being close to trade with NYY with the hold up being money. I think trade makes too much sense for Yanks not to happen. We’ll see.
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www.mlb.com

Cubs make initial pitch to Sasaki: 'We're an appealing destination'

DALLAS -- The Cubs have worked hard to establish their ballclub as a serious contender to reel in star players who come to the Major Leagues from Japan. Chicago will hope its efforts on that front in recent years can play a role in their pitch to free agent Roki
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#49      
EyeoftheIllini
Warren Carter Fanclub said:
www.mlb.com

Cubs make initial pitch to Sasaki: 'We're an appealing destination'

DALLAS -- The Cubs have worked hard to establish their ballclub as a serious contender to reel in star players who come to the Major Leagues from Japan. Chicago will hope its efforts on that front in recent years can play a role in their pitch to free agent Roki
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Thanks. I knew about the pitch. I meant that I hadn’t seen the Cubs listed as a likely landing spot. Though not sure intell is all that great about where he is going.
 
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