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BashCtIllini
sacraig said:
I'm not entirely opposed to this if only because many college degrees also take 5 years these days.
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The degrees that athletes are taking?

This would just be one more step away from college athletics and towards a minor league system posing as college athletics. I just wonder at what point do the colleges say we're done with this?

If we do get to these 24 team mega conferences, I could see the schools that don't make the vote start to say college athletics is no longer worthwhile for us.
 
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NarrowJ
BashCtIllini said:
The degrees that athletes are taking?

This would just be one more step away from college athletics and towards a minor league system posing as college athletics. I just wonder at what point do the colleges say we're done with this?

If we do get to these 24 team mega conferences, I could see the schools that don't make the vote start to say college athletics is no longer worthwhile for us.
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My guess is never, because:

Colleges make billions of dollars from sports, with revenue coming from a variety of sources, including:

  • Television broadcast rights: In 2022, television broadcast rights for college sports surpassed $4 billion.
  • Ticket sales: Colleges make money from ticket sales.
  • Alumni donations: Colleges receive donations from alumni.
  • Licensing and ads: Colleges make money from licensing and ads.
  • Conference distributions: Colleges receive distributions from conferences.
  • Student fees: Colleges receive revenue from student fees.
  • Institution/government support: Colleges receive revenue from institution/government support.
In 2022, Division I institutions reported almost $17.5 billion in total revenue from athletics. This was a 31% increase from the previous year.

In 2023, nine college programs made more than $200 million in operating revenue. Football is the top-earning sport, with Texas leading the nation in 2022 with $182 million in football revenue. Men's basketball is the second-highest earning sport.

PS, this was Googles answer (because I honestly wasn't sure myself)
 
#29      
WolfpackIllini
Re 5 year graduation trend, all 3 of my kids at UNR (Nevada Reno) have had significant issues getting the classes they are required to take for their major, due to things like the classes only being offered spring or fall, not enough sections for each class, etc., let alone some sections having prof's that have awful ratings. Our youngest just deferred one class, which is a prereq for others and not offered the next semester, and now he will be lucky to graduate in 5 years. Bad planning on his part, because the school schedule is published, but we are talking about 100- and 200-level classes here. I don't recall having this problem when I went to UI, way back when.

As far as athletes go, don't they tend to take summer classes, and get tutored, which would tend to help them meet grad reqts early (if they want)?

But with the transfer portal, maybe some classes at the first school don't transfer to the next school, hence a 5 year duration. So I guess this incents kids to get their degree (or a Masters), and another year of NIL as a nest egg before heading out into the real world.
 
#30      
sacraig
NarrowJ said:
My guess is never, because:

Colleges make billions of dollars from sports, with revenue coming from a variety of sources, including:

  • Television broadcast rights: In 2022, television broadcast rights for college sports surpassed $4 billion.
  • Ticket sales: Colleges make money from ticket sales.
  • Alumni donations: Colleges receive donations from alumni.
  • Licensing and ads: Colleges make money from licensing and ads.
  • Conference distributions: Colleges receive distributions from conferences.
  • Student fees: Colleges receive revenue from student fees.
  • Institution/government support: Colleges receive revenue from institution/government support.
In 2022, Division I institutions reported almost $17.5 billion in total revenue from athletics. This was a 31% increase from the previous year.

In 2023, nine college programs made more than $200 million in operating revenue. Football is the top-earning sport, with Texas leading the nation in 2022 with $182 million in football revenue. Men's basketball is the second-highest earning sport.

PS, this was Googles answer (because I honestly wasn't sure myself)
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Athletic success, especially in football, can also lead to a surge in applicants to the university: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/sports/ncaa-applicants/

A major, nationally televised football game is like a 3 hour commercial for the school.
 
#32      
the juiceman cometh
grue2 said:
The majority of the difference in the numbers we posted are whether you include the private-for-profit schools (the ones being sued for not delivering).
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Wasn't the number you posted aslo that 65% of kids who go straight through HS to college graduate in 4 years? Isn't that pretty much in line with what I posted?

35% is a pretty significant percentage of students.
 
#33      
the juiceman cometh
sacraig said:
Athletic success, especially in football, can also lead to a surge in applicants to the university: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/sports/ncaa-applicants/

A major, nationally televised football game is like a 3 hour commercial for the school.
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To that point, when Paterno started at Penn St. their enrollment was 11,000. Following their football success the school's enrollment exploded (just shy of 88k today). In one crazy example, after BC won the Fiesta Bowl on Flutie's hail mary, apparently BC saw a 30% boost in applications.

And on the flip side, following the Sandusky scandal there was a measurable decrease in the academic qualifications of incoming Penn St. students.

 
#34      
sacraig
the juiceman cometh said:
To that point, when Paterno started at Penn St. their enrollment was 11,000. Following their football success the school's enrollment exploded (just shy of 88k today). In one crazy example, after BC won the Fiesta Bowl on Flutie's hail mary, apparently BC saw a 30% boost in applications.

And on the flip side, following the Sandusky scandal there was a measurable decrease in the academic qualifications of incoming Penn St. students.

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This phenomenon is actually sometimes called the Flutie effect.
 
#35      
Mr.Champaign0509
the juiceman cometh said:
To that point, when Paterno started at Penn St. their enrollment was 11,000. Following their football success the school's enrollment exploded (just shy of 88k today). In one crazy example, after BC won the Fiesta Bowl on Flutie's hail mary, apparently BC saw a 30% boost in applications.

And on the flip side, following the Sandusky scandal there was a measurable decrease in the academic qualifications of incoming Penn St. students.

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Interesting re PSU, thanks for sharing. I'd have hoped for a larger decrease.
 
#36      
grue2
the juiceman cometh said:
Wasn't the number you posted aslo that 65% of kids who go straight through HS to college graduate in 4 years? Isn't that pretty much in line with what I posted?

35% is a pretty significant percentage of students.
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The CNBC article said 41% graduate in 4 years. They cite the National Center for Education Statistics. If you go look at the NCES site, the for-profit private universities really drag down the numbers.

Having 35% not graduate in 4 years looks like a huge percentage until one looks at the reasons:
1) ~42%** of the 35% never graduate. Many people discover that college isn't the right place for them. Most of them are probably right.
2) Another big chunk are part time students. (Thus the graduation in 6 years.)
3) Another chunk takes a year off mid-stream (various reasons)
4) Another group couldn't get the classes they need scheduled (their fault, or the schools fault). This is the % I'd worry about.

I wasn't able to find clear sources for the percentages of people who are part time or take a year off. (I also only spent ~10m.)

** If 85% eventually graduate, then 15% never graduate. 15/35 is ~42%
I also believe that far more people should make this decision. Financially, college is a losing proposition for a very large percentage of the attendees. I don't know how to quantify the social aspects.
 
#37      
jamarvelous31
Similarly NIU saw a 40% uptick in applications from the 03/04 football success.

northernstar.info

Admissions soar due to football success

NIU football appearances in USA Today, on Fox Sports Net and ESPN2 have not only increased the popularity of NIU, but also the incoming applications for the 2004-’05 school year. For the last few years, enrollment for the freshman class has gone up. Last fall, NIU enrolled 3,200 incoming...
northernstar.info
 
#38      
IlliniKat91
sacraig said:
Athletic success, especially in football, can also lead to a surge in applicants to the university: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/sports/ncaa-applicants/

A major, nationally televised football game is like a 3 hour commercial for the school.
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I entered UIUC in Fall 2005. Applications were up because of that 2005 men's team, and the university came out and told us about it during orientation, for those who don't want to read the article or doubt its veracity.
 
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Ryllini
madillini4 said:
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#40      
Battle89
WolfpackIllini said:
Re 5 year graduation trend, all 3 of my kids at UNR (Nevada Reno) have had significant issues getting the classes they are required to take for their major, due to things like the classes only being offered spring or fall, not enough sections for each class, etc., let alone some sections having prof's that have awful ratings. Our youngest just deferred one class, which is a prereq for others and not offered the next semester, and now he will be lucky to graduate in 5 years. Bad planning on his part, because the school schedule is published, but we are talking about 100- and 200-level classes here. I don't recall having this problem when I went to UI, way back when.

As far as athletes go, don't they tend to take summer classes, and get tutored, which would tend to help them meet grad reqts early (if they want)?

But with the transfer portal, maybe some classes at the first school don't transfer to the next school, hence a 5 year duration. So I guess this incents kids to get their degree (or a Masters), and another year of NIL as a nest egg before heading out into the real world.
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#41      
SeattleSlim
If I’m reading all these comments correctly, the defining question/answer on college applications should be:

I want to attend the University of X because:
A. They’re good at football
B. They’re good at basketball
C. They’re good at other sports
D. All of the above
 
#43      
Brosky
Any of the guards we are recruiting will (probably) look at a roster that will include Boswell, Riley, White, DGL and Davis. I would think that would cause a prospective recruit, if he's a guard, to to have second (or even third) thoughts. There just won't be many minutes available.
 
#44      
doowink
SeattleSlim said:
If I’m reading all these comments correctly, the defining question/answer on college applications should be:

I want to attend the University of X because:
A. They’re good at football
B. They’re good at basketball
C. They’re good at other sports
D. All of the above
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E. Are there lots of hot co-eds
F. Are there lots of craft beers available

.and not necessarily in any order....fixed if for ya
 
#48      
BashCtIllini
sacraig said:
This phenomenon is actually sometimes called the Flutie effect.
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My point is actually the opposite of this. When Duke is paying $4 m for a QB, Coleman Hawkins is getting $3 m, Quin Ewers is being offered $6 m, and we all know salaries never go down. How quickly will it be before schools just can't compete anymore?

It won't be long before it takes $10 m to create a starting 5 good enough to compete. How many schools won't be able to do that? And when schools that don't have the money start becoming perennial losers, and they don't have their Flutie moments, what then? Most DIAs don't make a profit today. When they lose consistently, what then?

I think if we ever get to these 24 team mega conferences, we'll really see. Any team not in those conferences has to start saying, we're 2nd class citizens, we're not making money. What's the point?
 
#49      
NarrowJ
doowink said:
E. Are there lots of hot co-eds
F. Are there lots of craft beers available

.and not necessarily in any order....fixed if for ya
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I'm so old I don't think I knew what craft beer was when I was in college. We drank whatever the cheapest swill was that we could find at the liquor store. Hamm's, MD 20/20, Evan Williams bourbon. Had to make sure we still had $5 in the wallet for the 330am burritos.
 
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