Illini Basketball 2024-2025

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Piotyr
the juiceman cometh said:
So, I didn't watch the video just saw the piece of paper, and outside the points for Big Ten championship and making tourney, isn't this just a more complicated way of calculating regular old standings? If a road win is +1 and a home loss is -1, then not matter what configuration you get them in, its just going to tell you how many games over or under .500 you are. For example, let's say you win all your home games and lose all your road games, end up 10-10 in conference. You're at 0 points - none gained, none lost. Let's say you win all your road games and lose all your home games. Still 0. +10 for all those road wins, -10 for all those home losses. 15-5 is always +5, no matter what configuration of wins and losses you use. Way to reinvent the wheel my guy.
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Its use at the end of the season is pointless since the home/road schedule balances out, but early in the season it shows which teams have benefitted from home cooking vs road warriors. Illinois has played 3 road games and 1 home game, while Oregon has played 3 home games and 1 road game and even though the teams are separated by 1 game in the regular standings, there's a bigger underlying gap there because Oregon now has to make up for dropping two home games.
 
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NarrowJ
Piotyr said:
Its use at the end of the season is pointless since the home/road schedule balances out, but early in the season it shows which teams have benefitted from home cooking vs road warriors. Illinois has played 3 road games and 1 home game, while Oregon has played 3 home games and 1 road game and even though the teams are separated by 1 game in the regular standings, there's a bigger underlying gap there because Oregon now has to make up for dropping two home games.
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Ahhh ok, this makes sense. Thank you for being smart lol.
 
#130      
the juiceman cometh
Piotyr said:
Its use at the end of the season is pointless since the home/road schedule balances out, but early in the season it shows which teams have benefitted from home cooking vs road warriors. Illinois has played 3 road games and 1 home game, while Oregon has played 3 home games and 1 road game and even though the teams are separated by 1 game in the regular standings, there's a bigger underlying gap there because Oregon now has to make up for dropping two home games.
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I guess it kinda shows that if you look under the hood, but by itself I still think it's kind of a meaningless metric. You'd have to compare against overall conference record to get there, and his sheet of paper doesn't provide it.

For example, this puts us on even ground with MSU and Michigan. But those teams are 2-0 away, while we are 2-1. We have one fewer opportunity to pick up a road win than they do. So there is some gap there, however minor, and this doesn't pick up on it.
 
#131      
Piotyr
the juiceman cometh said:
I guess it kinda shows that if you look under the hood, but by itself I still think it's kind of a meaningless metric. You'd have to compare against overall conference record to get there, and his sheet of paper doesn't provide it.

For example, this puts us on even ground with MSU and Michigan. But those teams are 2-0 away, while we are 2-1. We have one fewer opportunity to pick up a road win than they do. So there is some gap there, however minor, and this doesn't pick up on it.
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Sean's underlying assumption is that by default, a home game should be a win and a road game should be a loss. It's oversimplifying, a simple metric that gives a big picture glance at strength of conference record.
 
#132      
Illwinsagain
NarrowJ said:
20 games 10 home 10 road

3-7 in road games is +3
6-4 in home games is -4

Total is -1

Record is 9-11 for -2 without the weighting

Am I totally butchering some simple math again? Completely possible.

EDIT: I think I am wrong, but the weighting of road wins and home losses seems like it would make it different? Someone make sense of why the weighting is not doing anything lol
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Yes, you are measuring the difference between wins and losses. His formula measures the difference from your total and the baseline of 10.
 
#133      
OrangeBlue98
sacraig said:
If I tried to plan my life using a paper planner, I'd spend more time planning than actually doing.
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Now to be fair, I only use the paper-based planner so I don't have to try typing into a phone. I also HATE bringing a laptop into a meeting unless I'm presenting (think it presents a bad optic about being engaged during a meeting, so the planner is more of a notebook). When all is said and done, my official calendar and task list is online.
 
#138      
lstewart53x3
It’s the end of the season, you need one Q1 win to lock up a one seed, who would you rather play:

Q1: #29 net at home
Q2: #74 net on the road
 
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FreshlySqueezed
lstewart53x3 said:
It’s the end of the season, you need one Q1 win to lock up a one seed, who would you rather play:

Q1: #29 net at home
Q2: #74 net on the road
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That's a really good question. And that's why I think the Quad cutoffs are pretty darn good.

If I'm a top 5ish team, I think I'd probably rather go on the road and play the worse team. (Auburn whipping Texas right now provides a little confirmation bias)

For fun, I looked at KenPom today for an example:

Florida (#6) plays @ South Carolina (#74) and they are 10 point favorites.
Florida plays at home against #28 Ole Miss and they're 10 point favorites.
 
#145      
stevej64
STL Illini said:
Back in the mid-late 80s, I remember subscribing to Dave Kaplan’s monthly Illini recruiting newsletter. The newsletter was typed and photocopied and mailed to me via USPS.
All things Illini were learned primarily from WDWS, the NG, and Turpin and Tate’s Saturday morning open line radio show.
(I recall the insane amount of time spent discussing the Deon Thomas/Iowa debacle, and waiting forever for the NCAA ruling.)
When fantasy football first came out in the late 80s we had to wait for the News Gazette to look up stats from other games throughout the country to see who scored and manually tally results. The commissioner filled out form and mailed results to all the members weekly.

My how the world has changed since my time in CU…..

Note of transparency…there may have been technology that I was unaware of back then, but not much. Case in point, i remember when AOL came out and I still have my AOL email address. 🤷‍♂️
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Did you ever call his recruiting hotline number ?

It was always enthusiastic. The dude knows how to get an audience.

Also, whatever happened to the guy who kind of took over in a similar fashion when Kaplan went north?

I believe he got arrested several times because of a BlackJack/Gambling addiction.I think he got caught robbing banks. He was very plugged in as well. He was in Saturdays with Tate and Turpin quite a bit.
 
#146      
uofi7477
STL Illini said:
Back in the mid-late 80s, I remember subscribing to Dave Kaplan’s monthly Illini recruiting newsletter. The newsletter was typed and photocopied and mailed to me via USPS.
All things Illini were learned primarily from WDWS, the NG, and Turpin and Tate’s Saturday morning open line radio show.
(I recall the insane amount of time spent discussing the Deon Thomas/Iowa debacle, and waiting forever for the NCAA ruling.)
When fantasy football first came out in the late 80s we had to wait for the News Gazette to look up stats from other games throughout the country to see who scored and manually tally results. The commissioner filled out form and mailed results to all the members weekly.

My how the world has changed since my time in CU…..

Note of transparency…there may have been technology that I was unaware of back then, but not much. Case in point, i remember when AOL came out and I still have my AOL email address. 🤷‍♂️
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Funny, same here - Kaplan's newsletter was a treasure for me in those days.
 
#147      
derrick6
You are only 1 game from .500, not two. Math right, interpretation not.
 
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