Illinois 81, Iowa 61 Postgame

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aaeismacgychel
Illini-Rule said:
Did I misunderstand last night? Did they actually call a couple of moving picks? I haven't seen those called all year.

The other thing, the in the cylinder call against KJ, I thought was a bad call. All year we've had people with their hands on us and riding us with no calls. And they call that?
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The moving screen calls occurred directly after the cylinder call. Not saying it's right, but they definitely seemed to be more a byproduct of being makeup calls than an actual focus on calling moving screens. Quite frankly I'm surprised they overturned the elbow to the face as a cylinder call as the clear out movement of the elbow was not a basketball play and only by extending the elbows out did it make contact.

My guess is that Anderson didn't want to assess a technical on Iowa's player, so overturned the call to an iffy cylinder one, then immediately proceeded to give us 2 very quick makeup calls to "even out" the 2 free throws and change of possession. I think both teams have full right to complain about that sequence of officiating
 
#202      
PopChampaign
Battle89 said:
Which is exactly what the previous poster said - we have actual data for Ben's extended minutes, and it's not great - and you felt that was overly mean.

Ben played very well in his limited minutes yesterday, hats off to him.
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Took the whole season for coaching staff to realize he’s a bench player. Wild. Oh yea… newsflash, Iowa sucks, of course we should beat them at home. Not impressed until we play better competition again and see how we fare.
 
#203      
NASchamp
I’m optimistic with the adjustments made. But then watched the post-game interviews…

It’s worrying that Brad still mentioned how great we are at shooting 3s in practice or warmups. And essentially that the odds are in our favor now that we have missed so many in games this year.

He desperately needs to let those thoughts go. He has a large data-set of in-game shots and the plain fact is we just don’t make them. For whatever reason. Accept that and move on to the new plan.

We saw last night and a few other times this season we are best when we’re driving to the hoop, cutting backdoor, and then looking at open kick-out 3s as compliments. Stick with that strategy and we can compete. Continuing to jack-up 30+ 3s a night because we make a lot in practice and we’re bound to start making a lot in games is NOT logical.
 
#204      
CoalCity
aaeismacgychel said:
The moving screen calls occurred directly after the cylinder call. Not saying it's right, but they definitely seemed to be more a byproduct of being makeup calls than an actual focus on calling moving screens. Quite frankly I'm surprised they overturned the elbow to the face as a cylinder call as the clear out movement of the elbow was not a basketball play and only by extending the elbows out did it make contact.

My guess is that Anderson didn't want to assess a technical on Iowa's player, so overturned the call to an iffy cylinder one, then immediately proceeded to give us 2 very quick makeup calls to "even out" the 2 free throws and change of possession. I think both teams have full right to complain about that sequence of officiating
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Yeah that was definitely the worst cluster of calls all night.
 
#205      
Curbelo Fanboy
Oracle21 said:
I think that was Fran’s last trip to SFC as a coach. Iowa is a dead program.

The stats:

2s: 23/34 (68%)
3s: 9/29 (31%)

Turnovers:
Iowa: 16
Illinois: 5

That was the difference. I had 85-65 in the pregame thread so nearly exactly what I expected. Good to see Ben on the bench.
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I'd really like to see them dial back the 3's to say 20 a game max unless they are just stupid hot that night. Being nearly same in attempts from 2 & 3 will burn us against real teams.
 
#206      
BryceHopkins
Illini-Rule said:
Did I misunderstand last night? Did they actually call a couple of moving picks? I haven't seen those called all year.

The other thing, the in the cylinder call against KJ, I thought was a bad call. All year we've had people with their hands on us and riding us with no calls. And they call that?
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Poor KJ has to be the only player in the country who gets elbowed in the face TWICE and gets called for the foul both times. Ugh
 
#207      
NarrowJ
Battle89 said:
Which is exactly what the previous poster said - we have actual data for Ben's extended minutes, and it's not great - and you felt that was overly mean.

Ben played very well in his limited minutes yesterday, hats off to him.
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He said Ben averages 3.2 pts and 2.9 rebounds in full minutes which is extremely far from accurate, so now I'm wondering which one of us actually read his post incorrectly

2nd paragraph we can agree
 
#208      
CoachHooleyHoo
CoalCity said:
A good staff is always open to feedback
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But a better staff has a set of key concepts and principles, identifies strengths/weaknesses of the players and works to build off of strengths & improve those weaknesses, instill sound fundamentals, and then adjusts the general scheme accordingly. That's how you get better buy-in.
 
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#209      
Battle89
NarrowJ said:
He said Ben averages 3.2 pts and 2.9 rebounds in full minutes which is extremely far from accurate, so now I'm wondering which one of us actually read his post incorrectly

2nd paragraph we can agree
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You are focusing on the factual accuracy of the second poster, in that narrow(j) argument I lose.

I am focusing on each poster making farcical statements about Ben's production, but the second poster's 3.2 / 2.9 is a heck of a lot closer to reality than 32 / 16.

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Ben's actuals per fightingillini.com are 8.3 / 3.9 in 27.1 minutes.
 
#210      
Illini IndyCar Fan
BryceHopkins said:
Poor KJ has to be the only player in the country who gets elbowed in the face TWICE and gets called for the foul both times. Ugh
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That review was prompted by Jeffrey Anderson who was on the opposite side of the court, and spent about 20 seconds looking at the replay before reversing it.

Then he immediately gave us a make up call right afterwards that got Fran to be a level 5 bright red while screaming in High Knees' ear.
 
#213      
HereSoIDontGetFined
Roundball Sage said:
Boswell is the closest thing to a floor leader that I've been looking for all season. He needs to take charge.

Go for it, Homey. It's Your Home Town. It's Your Home Team. It's Your... TIME to be The Beloved's Lead Dance Partner.
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I think, if Boswell wants to be commanding on this team and be a threat, he has to start taking - and making - mid-range jumpers. It will convince teams to keep a healthy distance from him off the three-point line. Would also like to see him using his size a bit more and drawing contact. All of those things will require better decision making (i.e. stop taking terrible threes outside the flow of the offense).
 
#214      
Illini 993
I watch a lot of hoops, and that review/reversal for a cylinder foul is the first time I have seen it this year. Jeffrey Anderson was also highly involved in the fiasco at MSU. He is either the worst ref we have had (probable,) or something is sketchy about him (much less likely.) I hope we do not see him again this year.
 
#215      
NarrowJ
Battle89 said:
You are focusing on the factual accuracy of the second poster, in that narrow(j) argument I lose.

I am focusing on each poster making farcical statements about Ben's production, but the second poster's 3.2 / 2.9 is a heck of a lot closer to reality than 32 / 16.

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Ben's actuals per fightingillini.com are 8.3 / 3.9 in 27.1 minutes.
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So both of them were wrong? I'm sorry I can't continue to litigate this, I wasn't focused on the actual #s initially anyhow

It sounds as though we agree that its good Ben has accepted a bench role (and seems to have done much better in that role/situation) and that was really the focus of my original response
 
#216      
HereSoIDontGetFined
NASchamp said:
I’m optimistic with the adjustments made. But then watched the post-game interviews…

It’s worrying that Brad still mentioned how great we are at shooting 3s in practice or warmups. And essentially that the odds are in our favor now that we have missed so many in games this year.

He desperately needs to let those thoughts go. He has a large data-set of in-game shots and the plain fact is we just don’t make them. For whatever reason. Accept that and move on to the new plan.

We saw last night and a few other times this season we are best when we’re driving to the hoop, cutting backdoor, and then looking at open kick-out 3s as compliments. Stick with that strategy and we can compete. Continuing to jack-up 30+ 3s a night because we make a lot in practice and we’re bound to start making a lot in games is NOT logical.
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I'm in agreement with you. It's almost too late to make adjustments. Maybe it's not. As a coach you look to solve problems, and the big problem is, why do we fail to translate the great shooting in practice to great shooting in games? Sure, some of it is decision-making and taking shots when we shouldn't. But other times, we get open looks in the flow of offense and they don't fall. This team can pass it with the best of them. But it matters little if you don't hit the bucket.
 
#217      
CoalCity
CoachHooleyHoo said:
But a better staff has a set of key concepts and principles, identifies strengths/weaknesses of the players and works to build off of strengths & improve those weaknesses, instill sound fundamentals, and then adjusts the general scheme accordingly. That's how you get better buy-in.
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So you're saying that none of these things are happening? LOL
 
#218      
FloridaMan
Illiniindian said:
I have to ask. Will Tre be asked to come back?
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Good question. I would think it will depend on our success with targets in the transfer portal. But my total guess would be no based on how he was handled the last few weeks before last night. If he can consistently play like last night, he would be a valuable component IMO. But insiders would definitely know better than I.
 
#219      
PopChampaign
NASchamp said:
I’m optimistic with the adjustments made. But then watched the post-game interviews…

It’s worrying that Brad still mentioned how great we are at shooting 3s in practice or warmups. And essentially that the odds are in our favor now that we have missed so many in games this year.

He desperately needs to let those thoughts go. He has a large data-set of in-game shots and the plain fact is we just don’t make them. For whatever reason. Accept that and move on to the new plan.

We saw last night and a few other times this season we are best when we’re driving to the hoop, cutting backdoor, and then looking at open kick-out 3s as compliments. Stick with that strategy and we can compete. Continuing to jack-up 30+ 3s a night because we make a lot in practice and we’re bound to start making a lot in games is NOT logical.
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Spot on.
 
#221      
OrangeBlue98
NASchamp said:
I’m optimistic with the adjustments made. But then watched the post-game interviews…

It’s worrying that Brad still mentioned how great we are at shooting 3s in practice or warmups. And essentially that the odds are in our favor now that we have missed so many in games this year.

He desperately needs to let those thoughts go. He has a large data-set of in-game shots and the plain fact is we just don’t make them. For whatever reason. Accept that and move on to the new plan.

We saw last night and a few other times this season we are best when we’re driving to the hoop, cutting backdoor, and then looking at open kick-out 3s as compliments. Stick with that strategy and we can compete. Continuing to jack-up 30+ 3s a night because we make a lot in practice and we’re bound to start making a lot in games is NOT logical.
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Minnesota game. Iowa game.

Nothing more really needs to be said.
 
#222      
CoachHooleyHoo
CoalCity said:
So you're saying that none of these things are happening? LOL
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Did I say that none of those things are happening? Sure some of it’s happening but not particularly well especially during this losing stretch. If you do, I’ve got nothing.
 
#224      
RockfordIllini
So I don’t know if anyone saw the field of 68 segment with LaTulip talking about last nights game, but when Hansbrough was asked how he felt about Illinois, he said that overall he liked them but they were missing a big, interior presence that didn’t care about scoring and just rebounded, defended and played physical down low.

We have exactly that. He’s just hurt. Moron.
 
#225      
TheodoreRex
Indy Illini Fan said:
Want to give credit where it’s due …

Brad - I saw some good adjustments / tweaks on defense …

Stunting … Getting into gaps … Showing some different things in ball screen defense which included some hedging which I’ve been begging to see …
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It was nice to watch us constantly chasing the person with the ball and either being on their hip and trying to catch up and contest from behind.
 
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