Coaching Carousel (Basketball)

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How would you compare their ceilings?

That's what this is all about right? Somehow some people think that during his three years here, Self made it blatantly, inarguably clear that he could win a Natty.

But Underwood has shown that he absolutely, can't? He's reached the same highs at Illinois as Self did.
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And again I ask, why is it so so obvious to people that this guy was going to win a Natty at Illinois but Brad Underwood can't?
Bill's rug>Brad's dye
 
#778      
Bill's rug>Brad's dye
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#780      
Look, Jules is getting roasted for this post, and rightfully so, but the part that loses me the most is the bolded above. This is exactly what Brad Underwood did for the men's basketball program. It makes Bret and Shauna great, but Brad isn't good enough.
Illinois was not a dead program when Underwood took over. Illinois basketball was down but not dead. Underwood gets way too much credit. A dead basketball program resurrection is what Pat Kelsey is doing at Louisville. What he’s done in one season at Louisville is Amazing. Louisville basketball has been a complete dumpster fire for over a decade
 
#781      
Your entire thing is "National Championships are the only thing that matters" and Underwood is mediocre because in your opinion he can't win one. And now Bielema and Green are "super star coaches" who have won how many National Championships? Let's be clear, Bielema and Green are amazing and I have nothing but positive things to say about either of them, but I'm just wondering how they are "super star coaches" by the metric you laid out, which is National Championships? None of the three have achieved that, maybe none of them will (and they can still be wildly successful even without achieving that in my opinion), but Underwood has gotten the closest of the three.
Illinois is considered a basketball school. Illinois has has everything but a National Championship. Final Fours, Elite Eights , Sweet Sixteens, National Championship Game Appearance, Big Ten Championships . Been there done that with multiple coaches. It’s Natty time. Illinois has everything it needs to win a National Championship . The question Is Brad Underwood the coach to Lead Illinois to a National Championship? I say NO. It would be different if in 8 seasons at Illinois Brad had a couple of Sweet 16s 2 elite 8s and you could see progress but Illinois basketball outside of last season has been stagnant. 2 of last 3 seasons been underwhelming. My opinion on Brad might change if Illinois makes a deep run in the NCAA tournament. A first or second round exit in NCAA tournament Paying players 6 and 7 figures in Brad’s 8 season is unacceptable. I’m not here for giving Brad a 10th, 11th and 12th season. Hell Weber only got 9 seasons with Sweet 16s , Elite 8 , Final 4 , National Championship game. What does Brad have to do for his seat to get WARM?
 
#782      
Yup. The TA timing put us in this situation, while we knew it was going to happen we couldn't actively search for a coach because we didn't have an opening. We would have had to fire him(no cause or reason too). They left on the best terms possible which didn't strain the AAU relationship as bad as it could have.
That last sentence is what I've been waiting for someone to clarify
 
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Illinois was not a dead program when Underwood took over. Illinois basketball was down but not dead. Underwood gets way too much credit. A dead basketball program resurrection is what Pat Kelsey is doing at Louisville. What he’s done in one season at Louisville is Amazing. Louisville basketball has been a complete dumpster fire for over a decade
Bro… Groce left a dumpster fire.

Keep in mind Brad turned this program around pre- portal/NIL. You can hire a full talented roster in one off season these days as long as you’ve got the cash (which Louisville does.)
 
#785      
Hell Weber only got 9 seasons with Sweet 16s , Elite 8 , Final 4 , National Championship game. What does Brad have to do for his seat to get WARM?
You have made quite a few head scratching arguments, but this has to be one of the worst. All of the success that Weber had that you mention are in the first two seasons of his tenure, with guys that Self recruited. Sure he coached them up those first 2-3 years, but the progressive falloff made change mandatory. Everyone knew a change had to come with Leonard crying on the bench. Weber's time had come.

Brad is fresh of an E8 berth and will have made the tourney 5 straight years (would be 6 if not for COVID). This is what a stable program looks like.

You can argue this season has not gone to plan, but jeez some of these arguments made about firing Brad are flat out misguided.
 
#786      
Illinois was not a dead program when Underwood took over. Illinois basketball was down but not dead. Underwood gets way too much credit. A dead basketball program resurrection is what Pat Kelsey is doing at Louisville. What he’s done in one season at Louisville is Amazing. Louisville basketball has been a complete dumpster fire for over a decade
Well since you're saying over a decade let's go with a dozen years:

Illinois in the 12 seasons before Underwood:
- 4 Tournament appearances
- 0 2nd weekends (best result, 2nd round 3x)

Louisville in the 12 seasons before Kelsey:
- 4 tournament appearances
- 2 Second weekends
- 1 Elite Eight
- 1 National Championship
 
#787      
Well since you're saying over a decade let's go with a dozen years:

Illinois in the 12 seasons before Underwood:
- 4 Tournament appearances
- 0 2nd weekends (best result, 2nd round 3x)

Louisville in the 12 seasons before Kelsey:
- 4 tournament appearances
- 2 Second weekends
- 1 Elite Eight
- 1 National Championship
Come on, don’t let facts get in the way! 🤣
 
#789      
Well since you're saying over a decade let's go with a dozen years:

Illinois in the 12 seasons before Underwood:
- 4 Tournament appearances
- 0 2nd weekends (best result, 2nd round 3x)

Louisville in the 12 seasons before Kelsey:
- 4 tournament appearances
- 2 Second weekends
- 1 Elite Eight
- 1 National Championship
Lol "complete dumpster fire for over a decade."

Louisville finished the season ranked in the top 25 4 times in the 10 years prior to Kelsey taking over.

Illinois had gone 11 years without finishing in the top 25 before Underwood took over.

More convinced than ever this person's just a troll. Shouldn't be taken seriously.
 
#790      
You have made quite a few head scratching arguments, but this has to be one of the worst. All of the success that Weber had that you mention are in the first two seasons of his tenure, with guys that Self recruited. Sure he coached them up those first 2-3 years, but the progressive falloff made change mandatory. Everyone knew a change had to come with Leonard crying on the bench. Weber's time had come.

Brad is fresh of an E8 berth and will have made the tourney 5 straight years (would be 6 if not for COVID). This is what a stable program looks like.

You can argue this season has not gone to plan, but jeez some of these arguments made about firing Brad are flat out misguided.
I don’t care . The fact of the matter is Bruce Weber Coached the players he inherited to a National Championship game. I never understood the hatred and unappreciative attitude towards Bruce Weber by some of Illinois fan base. It doesn’t make any sense that so called Illinois fans would put Brad I had a team with NBA players and lost to Loyola of Chicago Underachieving Underwood over Bruce Weber SEEK PSYCHOLOGICAL HELP . What are you even arguing about imbeciles. When Brad Underwood gets to a Final Four and NCAA Tournament National Championship game then come back and talk until then Shut the hell up. I don’t care. You can say Bill Self won with Lon Krueger players. Weber did what he did with what he was given. Underwood Cult members are exactly like the Justin Fields Chicago Bears cult members. You people don’t understand when it’s over and not working. That’s the problem in 2025. People don’t seem to understand when a relationship be it romantic or business is not working out and want to force things to work out. It is what it is . What must be done eventually must be done immediately . I’m a statistician. The outlier season in Brad’s tenure as the Head Basketball Coach of the University of Illinois was last season.
 
#791      
Lol "complete dumpster fire for over a decade."

Louisville finished the season ranked in the top 25 4 times in the 10 years prior to Kelsey taking over.

Illinois had gone 11 years without finishing in the top 25 before Underwood took over.

More convinced than ever this person's just a troll. Shouldn't be taken seriously.
Maybe the AI he’s using for his posts doesn’t include everything that was vacated?

Like it thinks Louisville somehow had negative wins over that time frame?
 
#794      
Brad Underwood Cult members thinking that Illinois is going to a Final Four and National Championship under Brad Underwood after 8 seasons at The University of Illinois
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#796      
Bill Self went on a lucky hot streak inheriting a program that was already in a great position to succeed, Bruce Weber was turning it back around and would have done a better job than Groce in 2012 but had the misfortune of being a good person. Groce had terrible luck, putting too much trust in the Navy Seals, and worked under a AD that couldn’t manage the revenue sports, Underwood is an elite salesman that got lucky after inheriting Thomas Walkup and 6 three point snipers on one roster and turned it into a lucrative career without ever having a decent out of bounds play. Is everyone satisfied?
 
#797      
Illinois was not a dead program when Underwood took over. Illinois basketball was down but not dead. Underwood gets way too much credit. A dead basketball program resurrection is what Pat Kelsey is doing at Louisville. What he’s done in one season at Louisville is Amazing. Louisville basketball has been a complete dumpster fire for over a decade
Lol what?

Louisville has not been a dumpster fire for a decade. They were great all the way up until Pitino got fired(they were a 2 seed in his final season).

They had a decent year with Padgett as the interim and then got Chris Mack who is a very good coach. They were a top 10 team in the country before COVID cancelled the tournament in 2020.

Mack then had the weird thing with his assistant coach trying to extort him and got fired. Louisville was really only bad for 3 seasons before this year. Just the last two were really bad ones with Kenny Payne.

Sidenote: curious that Padgett never worked as a coach again since he didn't do a terrible job as an interim. Not even getting an assistant job seems strange.
 
#798      
I don’t care . The fact of the matter is Bruce Weber Coached the players he inherited to a National Championship game. I never understood the hatred and unappreciative attitude towards Bruce Weber by some of Illinois fan base. It doesn’t make any sense that so called Illinois fans would put Brad I had a team with NBA players and lost to Loyola of Chicago Underachieving Underwood over Bruce Weber SEEK PSYCHOLOGICAL HELP . What are you even arguing about imbeciles. When Brad Underwood gets to a Final Four and NCAA Tournament National Championship game then come back and talk until then Shut the hell up. I don’t care. You can say Bill Self won with Lon Krueger players. Weber did what he did with what he was given. Underwood Cult members are exactly like the Justin Fields Chicago Bears cult members. You people don’t understand when it’s over and not working. That’s the problem in 2025. People don’t seem to understand when a relationship be it romantic or business is not working out and want to force things to work out. It is what it is . What must be done eventually must be done immediately . I’m a statistician. The outlier season in Brad’s tenure as the Head Basketball Coach of the University of Illinois was last season.
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#799      
Hey Bruce, lighten up!!! We are sorry your feelings are hurt, you did the best you could. Log off Loyalty and get back to television.
 
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