3/10-3/12 Games Thread

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wettsten
OrangeBlue98 said:
ACC tournament, 1st round - Notre Dame is going to get two free throws on a questionable at best call against Pitt. I just don't see a foul on this play at all.

EDIT - Notre Dame escapes 55-54, Jeff Capel on the court berating the officials postgame. Based on the replays I saw, I can't really say I blame him.
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yeah, that should have just gone to overtime.
 
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mysterio2525
That call was atrocious and absolutely bs. Needs a way to overrule this... The refs themselves should have stopped it. Disgusting
 
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OrangeBlue98
mysterio2525 said:
That call was atrocious and absolutely bs. Needs a way to overrule this... The refs themselves should have stopped it. Disgusting
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The only thing that could be changed for this would either be a challenge system on a judgement call like the NBA has or for college basketball to adopt a process like VAR in soccer where once the referees are at the monitor, anything can be reviewed. So in theory under the second scenario, the referees would have gone to the monitor to look at "did the contact happen before 0.0/red light"", but then they could look and say, "Wait - we shouldn't have called that."

I honestly don't know what to think about this. I know you want to get critical calls right, but implementing something like above has the possibility of adding even more time to games for video review. I'm not saying the call was correct. Based on every replay I've seen, I do not think a foul was the correct call. But how far do we want video review to go in terms of balancing delays in the game with getting to the right call, and re-refereeing the game at the monitor? I'm generally in the camp of "don't disturb the game more than what you need", but something like what happened at the end of the Pitt-ND game does make me reconsider my position at least temporarily.

wettsten said:
how about that Big 12 tournament floor? i don't hate it
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It's an interesting concept, but I think I still am a fan of more traditional floors. I don't mind the area inside the three-point line being a different shade than the area outside of the three-point line. I don't have a major preference with the lighter floors of today compared to the darker hardwood of days past. I don't even mind that "blacktop" floor the Nets use from time to time. The "XII" logo throughout the floor is something I can't determine if I like or dislike yet.
 
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Chad Fleck
OrangeBlue98 said:
ACC tournament, 1st round - Notre Dame is going to get two free throws on a questionable at best call against Pitt. I just don't see a foul on this play at all.

EDIT - Notre Dame escapes 55-54, Jeff Capel on the court berating the officials postgame. Based on the replays I saw, I can't really say I blame him.
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Yeah, it don't understand what they saw there. I was only half watching. I guess they called on the guy trying to contest the put back?
 
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OrangeBlue98
Chad Fleck said:
Yeah, it don't understand what they saw there. I was only half watching. I guess they called on the guy trying to contest the put back?
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Yes, they called a shooting foul on the Pitt guy who was to the right of the ND player as you watched the replay from the camera atop the basket (so off the left arm of the ND player).
 
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mysterio2525
OrangeBlue98 said:
The only thing that could be changed for this would either be a challenge system on a judgement call like the NBA has or for college basketball to adopt a process like VAR in soccer where once the referees are at the monitor, anything can be reviewed. So in theory under the second scenario, the referees would have gone to the monitor to look at "did the contact happen before 0.0/red light"", but then they could look and say, "Wait - we shouldn't have called that."

I honestly don't know what to think about this. I know you want to get critical calls right, but implementing something like above has the possibility of adding even more time to games for video review. I'm not saying the call was correct. Based on every replay I've seen, I do not think a foul was the correct call. But how far do we want video review to go in terms of balancing delays in the game with getting to the right call, and re-refereeing the game at the monitor? I'm generally in the camp of "don't disturb the game more than what you need", but something like what happened at the end of the Pitt-ND game does make me reconsider my position at least temporarily.


It's an interesting concept, but I think I still am a fan of more traditional floors. I don't mind the area inside the three-point line being a different shade than the area outside of the three-point line. I don't have a major preference with the lighter floors of today compared to the darker hardwood of days past. I don't even mind that "blacktop" floor the Nets use from time to time. The "XII" logo throughout the floor is something I can't determine if I like or dislike yet.
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I never got the adding time argument.... We Do it for so many less critical things. This literally impacted the outcome in a major way.... Getting it right > 2 minutes of extra time. Basketball doesn't have baseballs time issue... It does have an official can influence the game too much issue imo.

I think you make an exception for calls closer to the end (last 2 minutes). And have a centralized review team that can override a bad call... Used sparingly but it's not like they don't have eyes on the game and the tech to reach the refs. And clearly a challenge system for directly on the court but the coach like the NBA. Also refs should be able to use common sense and say hey this wasn't really a foul or I made a mistake.... Which should have happened in the pitt/nd game.
 
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OrangeBlue98
mysterio2525 said:
I never got the adding time argument.... We Do it for so many less critical things. This literally impacted the outcome in a major way.... Getting it right > 2 minutes of extra time. Basketball doesn't have baseballs time issue... It does have an official can influence the game too much issue imo.

I think you make an exception for calls closer to the end (last 2 minutes). And have a centralized review team that can override a bad call... Used sparingly but it's not like they don't have eyes on the game and the tech to reach the refs. And clearly a challenge system for directly on the court but the coach like the NBA. Also refs should be able to use common sense and say hey this wasn't really a foul or I made a mistake.... Which should have happened in the pitt/nd game.
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If we can get away from checking seemingly every single out of bounds call in the last 3 minutes of a game, then I can swing to your way of thinking.
 
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the juiceman cometh
OrangeBlue98 said:
If we can get away from checking seemingly every single out of bounds call in the last 3 minutes of a game, then I can swing to your way of thinking.
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What about some kind of challenge system where if a coach loses a challenge the opposing team gets one three throw, like for a tech (then the ball goes back to whoever had possession), or in the case where a foul call is being challenged, the opposing team gets an additional foul shot? I'd think that would discourage review of all but the most important plays and most blatant missed calls.
 
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Turn N’ Burn
Johnny Lawrence said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1899576732014756081

Coleman off to a scorching start with three triples in the first 3:05.
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I didn’t know this website existed with Miller played at Illinois so I am not sure how he was perceived on this board, but I remember people saying he was going to be a better shooting Ayo with a strudier frame. I know he had injuries but man he is a far cry from that and not to mention having the keys passed to him after Ayo left. Real shame he thought the grass was greener.
 
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OrangeKrush1981
the juiceman cometh said:
What about some kind of challenge system where if a coach loses a challenge the opposing team gets one three throw, like for a tech (then the ball goes back to whoever had possession), or in the case where a foul call is being challenged, the opposing team gets an additional foul shot? I'd think that would discourage review of all but the most important plays and most blatant missed calls.
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I like this.

And a ref-clock: for every 5 additional seconds the zebras go over the decision-window (90 sec), they forfeit 5% of their earnings from that game to a local charity chosen by the athletic directors of the two respective schools. Tie-breaker goes to someone like the local Red Cross director.
 
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