Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread
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My point is that if schools are paying a player of this caliber a million then the model is 100% not sustainable. It is throwing money away. Boosters will dry up if they are wasting their money. And this is a good example of that. There has to be some kind of system established because this is a perfect example of why the current one will fail.
As far as coaches making 5x that amount? There were 7 college coaches last year making $5 million or more as of last year(Brad just missing the cut). So...not like every mediocre coach out there is getting paid like that. Only about 50 college coaches made more last year than Coleman Hawkins and about 70 made more than this moderately good mid major player is getting offered for next year? That is not a good recipe for success. Who would you consider more critical for this team, keeping Brad Underwood as coach or bringing back Tre White? The answer is Underwood because he proves more for the money he makes (even though some may disagree). This system will actually do nothing but drive coach salaries much higher. They are the program. The players are being reduced to interchangeable parts.
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$1 million is a lot of money but I guarantee you he'll make less than his coach next year. As will almost every other player who suits up in college basketball next year.
That's not how it works in any other sport that brings in billions of dollars of revenue. Star players make orders of magnitude more than coaches. Last I checked the NFL, NBA MLB, EPL, etc weren't unraveling as a result.
These NIL deal values are going up because boosters are opening the pocket books and competing against each other. If your whole argument is that they're going to stop and "boosters will dry up"... well so what?
If boosters want to pay less, then they'll pay less, and players will accept less, because there will be less competition and they'll still take the best offer they can get. Doesnt explain how any of this "ruins" the sport.
Players in pro leagues have contracts and the amounts paid out aren't secret like college sports are. College coaches are paid more, in part, because they also have contracts. They are locked in to a job(more or less), and are what schools build around. Plus college is not the same as pro sports. If we have just decided that they are the same then there is no point in having them. We already have pro basketball.
Anyways...is your argument seriously that the current system is working and sustainable??
The majority of the starters for a given pro team are the same from one year to the next. Multi-year contracts ensure that. Every so often a team may "blow things up". It is the exception. This means you get to know the players. The players are on your team. The current NIL situation seems to be a major reshuffle every year. I find it watching them less enjoyable as a result.
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That's a really good question. Martinelli about to tip off on Peacock right now 1430 CT
sacraig
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Well they don't. Martinelli's sells for about $3.68 at my local Walmart.
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Player comps for this guy? I noticed he's a non-shooter so assuming strictly a 4 or small ball 5?
sacraig
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Listed as a G, though.
Interesting... can we just keep Ty Rodgers instead then?
(EDIT: I know there's more to it than that, just saying I'm gonna miss Ty)
Right, but that has nothing to do with a given player getting a given amount of money. That's about how the NCAA has taken a hard stance against players ever being employees, and thus foisting all player compensation on to third-parties who cannot "pay-for-play" which in turn means multi-year contracts are out of the question. Make the players student-employees of the University, allow multi-year deals paid by the Athletic Dept. (to which boosters can donate), and that solves that problem.
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- Meredosia, Illinois
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But....your entire thing was that players getting paid a certain amount of money is ruining the sport. How is it that the level of compensation is ruining the sport? You still haven't explained.
It is certainly at least as sustainable as the prior system, very likely moreso.
And to the extent it is not sustainable, it has nothing to do with the amount of compensation players get, but the way they get it which encourages excess amounts of player movement. You don't solve that issue by paying players less. You solve it by modifying the system to encourage staying in one place and discourage team-hopping. This is what pro leagues do, and you even identified how they do it. You're almost there!
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I have explained. "My point is that if schools are paying a player of this caliber a million then the model is 100% not sustainable. It is throwing money away. Boosters will dry up if they are wasting their money."
Pretty simple. That is the current system and it is doomed to fail. This isn't even debatable. And you are literally telling me the current system is working so great by then saying the current system needs to change? Wow that is a great system!
Pretty simple. That is the current system and it is doomed to fail. This isn't even debatable. And you are literally telling me the current system is working so great by then saying the current system needs to change? Wow that is a great system!
Isn't tre defined by inconsistency. He's been great last few games but disappeared for games at a time more than once this season. Not to mention a spat/sickness/whatever with Brad. Martinelli put up 20 and 6 and shot over 35% on 3 over the entire season... Not just a 4 game stretch then disappear for another 4 games. I hope tre proves be wrong to end the season and we don't even consider it
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Battle89
- Cary-Grove, the better Trojan team
I don't dislike Tre at all, but both his career and this season seem the picture of inconsistency. Jumping schools every year (meaning no one so far has been willing to pony up to keep him) and the "Brad-itis" he had this season. As to the 3-pt shooting improving, yes and that is great, but his only reliable spot is the corner. Easier to defend if you know that's his only spot.
It's not a slam-dunk easy call...it's close but I think I'd take Martinelli.
On the other hand, it seems like the thing Tre needs more than anything to take his game to the next level is to stay in once place for longer than season. Lately it seems like he's bought in, after a bumpy road. It could be that staying here and being bought in from the start, and knowing there will be ups and downs and times when he doesn't see eye-to-eye with BU in a given season, but also knowing he can come out on the other side of that, could be huge.
That being said, I also really like Martinelli and agree that if it's a choice to be made between the two, it is a very tough choice.
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