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RML
illini510 said:
That's what they want the country to think. They did this in such a way to put the committee in the best possible light as possible given the egregious decision to include UNC in the tournament. They think the fans and media will fall for the fact that they would've been out if UAB had but won. Don't you see? They made UNC the last team to cover their butts. IMO, the reality is just like they left out Boise St, they would've left out SDSU before leaving out precious UNC.
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Yeh, the real issue is why UAB losing didn't make room for one of the first four outs, rather than for UNC.
 
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illini510
Illini2010-11 said:
Some of this is just ridiculous. West Virginia did themselves no favors by losing to a very bad Colorado team on Wednesday. As far as I am concerned, West Virginia played themselves out of of the tournament. North Carolina took care of business the last few weeks by beating everybody (with exception of Duke). When you look at the NET, West Virginia simply did not do enough. I personally would not have placed North Carolina in the tournament, but it is sour grapes for all this backlash in keeping West Virginia out. West Virginia is putting in more effort complaining about being left out than they did taking care of business vs a bad Colorado team. If they win that game, there is no way that West Virginia is on the outside looking in. In some ways, other teams have a more legitimate case than West Virginia.
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The problem is that it's not just West Virginia that should be griping. It is Indiana and Boise St as well. UNC was rewarded for playing a tough non conference SOS but what's the point if they lost all of those games except for 1? They might have great metrics but they didn't take care of business unlike other teams on the bubble throughout the entirety of the season. Beating the teams you're supposed to beat in the ACC is not something to drool over
 
#153      
jumpingjack
MainelyIllini said:
I’m curious what basis they would use as a reason to pursue something here. I agree that it sucks as WVU was much more deserving to be in than UNC but can’t see this changing anything.
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Common sense or legal merits are not things you can accuse Governor Pharma-bro of relying on.
I'm not going to get on a roll about him, but he's objectively the worst.
 
#154      
jumpingjack
Scoregasm said:
I'm sure there is a big donor behind this.
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#156      
fuddrules
Illini2010-11 said:
Some of this is just ridiculous. West Virginia did themselves no favors by losing to a very bad Colorado team on Wednesday. As far as I am concerned, West Virginia played themselves out of of the tournament. North Carolina took care of business the last few weeks by beating everybody (with exception of Duke). When you look at the NET, West Virginia simply did not do enough. I personally would not have placed North Carolina in the tournament, but it is sour grapes for all this backlash in keeping West Virginia out. West Virginia is putting in more effort complaining about being left out than they did taking care of business vs a bad Colorado team. If they win that game, there is no way that West Virginia is on the outside looking in. In some ways, other teams have a more legitimate case than West Virginia.
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I've heard conflicting answers - do conference tournaments matter or not?
 
#158      
pweo
fuddrules said:
I've heard conflicting answers - do conference tournaments matter or not?
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If the team that wins wasn't in, sure. Otherwise it depends on when said tournament occurs. Pretty clear that Michigan was not rewarded for their wins on Saturday/Sunday.
 
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the juiceman cometh
Honestly, as I look at the resumes I think the UNC v. WVU thing is getting blown out of proportion.

UNC NET: 36
WVU NET: 51

UNC Kenpom: 33
WVU Kenpom: 53

UNC T-Rank: 36
WVU T-Rank: 33

Yes, WVU has a clear advantage in Q1 record, but when you look at it as Q1+Q2 it comes out very close:
UNC Q1+Q2: 9-12
WVU Q1+Q2: 10-13

WVU has better, much better, signature wins. But UNC has looked better than WVU recently. Since January, UNC's only losses are to Duke and away vs. Clemson. That being said, the quality of opponents has been very weak.

I agree that WVU should have made it in over UNC. But I also ultimately don't think it's more egregious than the kind of snubs that invariably happen every year.
 
#163      
Illini2010-11
the juiceman cometh said:
Honestly, as I look at the resumes I think the UNC v. WVU thing is getting blown out of proportion.

UNC NET: 36
WVU NET: 51

UNC Kenpom: 33
WVU Kenpom: 53

UNC T-Rank: 36
WVU T-Rank: 33

Yes, WVU has a clear advantage in Q1 record, but when you look at it as Q1+Q2 it comes out very close:
UNC Q1+Q2: 9-12
WVU Q1+Q2: 10-13

WVU has better, much better, signature wins. But UNC has looked better than WVU recently. Since January, UNC's only losses are to Duke and away vs. Clemson. That being said, the quality of opponents has been very weak.

I agree that WVU should have made it in over UNC. But I also ultimately don't think it's more egregious than the kind of snubs that invariably happen every year.
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When you get down to the last 4 teams in/first 4 teams out, you are looking at incredibly flawed resumes. As I said earlier, I think a few other teams have more legitimate complaints than West Virginia. To get to the point where politicians are threatening action...utter lunacy.
 
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fightingducks
Navy_illini said:
Heard the chair say their quad 2 wins made up for the fact they had 1 quad 1 win in 12 attempts. They were 8-0 in quad 2 games but they did have a quad 3 loss

I think the biggest seeding question was Gonzaga. Their seed = their NET rating. They played a tough non conference schedule
Baylor
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UCONN
UK
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Louisville was even worse
 
#169      
OrangeBlue98
To be completely fair, Chester isn't really spouting off on his own here. He took a screenshot of a post. I get the insinuation is clear and if I were him I wouldn't have done that. But it's not like he's stating his own theory here.

We'll probably never know just how much that Colorado loss damaged WVU's eventual tournament resume, but I have to think when the margins were so fine between teams that a loss like that was a not-insignificant factor so close to the selection process.
 
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Illini2010-11
chiefini said:
This is absolutely awful for this S. Alabama team. The NIT should have told the other team who double-dipped they were out…
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Or even better, have them play each other in a play-in game. South Alabama gets the chance to continue their season and the other team is forced to play an additional game due to confusion they possibly caused. These tournaments actually mean a lot to programs like South Alabama.
 
#172      
chrisRunner7
That WV investigation is silly (these are all subjective decisions).

However, I will say, what is unclear to me is whether Bubba Cunningham is allowed to be "in the room" when West Virginia, Ohio State, and Boise State were being discussed. Sure, he has to step out when they talk about UNC.

But is he still allowed to give a PowerPoint presentation on Saturday about why West Virginia is a terrible team?
 
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OrangeBlue98
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NCAA Tournament Selection Committee

The 2024-2025 Selection Committee (the year the term is up is in parenthesis): BUBBA CUNNINGHAM (2025) – North Carolina Athletic Director (Chairperson) MARK COYLE (2026) – Minnesot…
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All "suits" (ADs and conference commissioners). But to be fair, Stu Jackson has a lot of coaching experience at both the NBA and collegiate level.

BUBBA CUNNINGHAM (2025) – North Carolina Athletic Director (Chairperson)

MARK COYLE (2026) – Minnesota Athletic Director

GREG BYRNE (2026) – Alabama Athletic Director

KEITH GILL (2026) – Sun Belt Commissioner (Vice-Chairperson)

LEE REED (2026) – Georgetown Athletic Director

MARTIN NEWTON (2027) – Samford Athletic Director

TOM WISTRCILL (2027) – Big Sky Commissioner

ARTHUR JOHNSON (2028) – Temple Athletic Director

IRMA GARCIA (2029) – Manhattan Athletic Director

STU JACKSON (2029) – West Coast Conference Commissioner

ZACK LASSITER (2029) – Abilene Christian Athletic Director

CHAD WEIBERG (2029) – Oklahoma State Athletic Director
 
#175      
IlliniFan42
This is kind of sad, but I'd feel safer if the members of the committee were either non-power conference commissioners or athletic directors from schools that don't usually sniff March Madness. NC's AD being on that committee really sticks out to me compared to the rest of the members. (Of course Alabama's getting up there as well, but not nearly as much as NC.)

I also saw an idea that the committee should be officials from D2 so they'd have no skin in the game.
 
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