Seriously if MJ Sr. had cited the scheme that left his son on an island against Desmond Claude (and others) among his grievances, I wouldn’t argue it.
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There’s more to the story than just running a good offense.
We certainly will, just have to be patient
Please be Jake over Ben….
Got cooked on defense.
altgeld88
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You disappointed me there. Hooked me at the beginning of the second sentence, but I was really hoping for a "... to lessen the pain of losing a young, thick, 81-inch Johnson" at the, er, climax.
Is that $2 mil for one year or is that an amount for 2 years?
DB11Headband
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We concerned yet by this being a theme every offseason?
The sky IS falling. It’s clear that players don’t value Illinois as an upper echelon program that even given reasonable playing time and NIL anren’t enough to get them to stay. It’s also pretty clear by now players have issues playing under Brad and Tyler that they don’t stay more than a year or two.
It was a good run the last few years, it’s hard to imagine we could pull off a complete overhaul better than we did last year.
I’m sure we can throw a couple mil and playing time to get a couple of decent starters, but they’ll be mid major fish swimming upward. But something needs to be done to rebuild the program image and the culture that is taking a MAJOR hit.
It was a good run the last few years, it’s hard to imagine we could pull off a complete overhaul better than we did last year.
I’m sure we can throw a couple mil and playing time to get a couple of decent starters, but they’ll be mid major fish swimming upward. But something needs to be done to rebuild the program image and the culture that is taking a MAJOR hit.
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The thing about committing to play at Illinois is it's not just about playing for Brad anymore. We had players having issues with Tyler. Who apparently won't budge from his analytics metrics approach on the offensive side and Hamer who is following suit on the defensive side even though Bos and some of the others were begging him to change how we defend the pnr. We actually did change for a few games and it worked great but still went back to Hamers way. As long as Brad keeps these two in their roles with that much authority we are going to have problems. I'm sure we are getting a reputation from it and it needs be addressed. We are going to find less and less players who are willing to come here to play under those circumstances. I have always been a Brad fan but enough is enough.Tre wanted to stay … Tre would’ve stayed if certain things were done (NOT $$$ related) …
Brad unwilling to make changes … Here we are …
In terms of the ridiculous comment … I agree … See my note below …
Multiple hints that Tre wants the biggest bag
Where could one find this info?
I’m hearing from people I know in college basketball coaching circles and former college basketball players the word on Underwood is he has bad a temper ,stubborn and doesn’t care about his players or assistant coaches. Don’t let what Georgetown coach Ed Cooley said be taken lightly. He called Illinois a Bullcrap school when he was discussing Jayden Epps transferring to Georgetown. Chester Frazier and Tim Anderson have a lot of respect with college and NBA players. Weber got 9 seasons at Illinois with 2 Big Ten championships, a National Championship game appearance ,2 Sweet 16s , 1Elite 8 , 1 Final 4, Brad is entering his 9th season with one E8 ,2BTT , Tied for 1 regular season Big Ten championship.
Such as?
Username doesn't fit, but I'm with you
Would you take 20:1 odds on that? No snark
Biggest? SMH.
No one said basketball players are competent market analysts. These guys making $$ decisions year after year, are the equivalent of Deer in headlights. Can't look past the shiny objects.
No one said basketball players are competent market analysts. These guys making $$ decisions year after year, are the equivalent of Deer in headlights. Can't look past the shiny objects.
Is he respected by players? Does he act like a tool? Can he recruit? Does he use his pieces to the best of his abilities? Are we able to retain players with the way he coaches and the type of offense he runs? Does that offense equate to national championships? So many
If Ben comes back on minimal NIL, with the expectation that he is spot minutes off the bench until he shows that he can hit 40% from 3 during games, I'm fine with that. If he insists on anything more than minimal NIL, I wish him the best of luck elsewhere. He had his shot, and more. He did not deliver.
Concerned for college basketball more then Illinois basketball. Allowing 18 to 22 year old to transfer every year for the biggest bag isn't going to be a good thing for the sport. If I wasn't tied to the University I would go for the biggest bag I could get too, regardless of who was coaching. It's pathetic for us fans, but from a player's point of view, why wouldn't you. The coaches are the ones left trying to weave through this mess.
I think it's placed on both and most people want Hamer gone very badly.
But go watch UConn's, Nebraska, Iowa, Purdue, Texas Tech, BYU, Florida, Gonzaga, or Alabama and legitimately watch how their offensives flow and move and tell me that you think Illinois is a well coached offensive team.
Yeah they have graded out well by the metrics but that's because they have had a ton of talent that last two years. Also, offensive efficiency doesn't necessarily tell the entire story when you light up teams like Iowa for 100+ points but struggle when you play teams that actually play physical defense. Plus, your offense is super volatile and puts you in position to lose games you have no business losing.
Metrics are great and can add a lot of context to why things work but you still need to watch games and other teams play to have the entire picture despite what the consultant class of this country may think.
If you gave Fred Hoiberg this Illinois roster this year he would have had the best offense in the country. Why is anyone excited about the 15th best offense with this roster? You had two extremely talented lottery pick type talents in KJ and Riley, an extremely skilled 7 footer that you can run your offense through and a ton of capable role players in Boswell, White, Morez, DGL, and Humrichous. The one thing they did very well was offensive rebound and basically all of Brad's teams have done that so I'm not going to credit Tyler.
Auburn has the 3rd best offense in the country and I don't know if they have a single NBA player. Like this Illini offense should have been a top 5ish offense, 15 is underselling the talent they had.
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Sh!t. I guess Tre no longer fiery about running it back next year. Really fine product the NCAA has given its loyal fans. Joke.
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