St Louis Cardinals 2025

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BillyBob1
It’s only the 3rd game, but you have to like the hitting approach. I know there will be double digit strikeout games, but it’s nice to see contact. Arenado hitting the ball really well. Either good they didn’t trade him or his value might go up if a team is in need.
 
#228      
pruman91
THAT'S A WINNER !!!!!............. ( 3-0 )

Cardinals win 9-2 and sweep the Twins in the opening series of the 2025 season....................

with the Cardinals and Blues playing so great , it has eased SOME of the pain from what is going on with the MBB program.........

2 three run homers is great to see and some good pitching added in has made this season get off on the right foot........

LET'S GO CARDINALS................
 
#229      
BillyBob1
pruman91 said:
THAT'S A WINNER !!!!!............. ( 3-0 )

Cardinals win 9-2 and sweep the Twins in the opening series of the 2025 season....................

with the Cardinals and Blues playing so great , it has eased SOME of the pain from what is going on with the MBB program.........

2 three run homers is great to see and some good pitching added in has made this season get off on the right foot........

LET'S GO CARDINALS................
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And a Gorman HR!
 
#231      
pruman91
Donovan with his first career homer against a lefty..................Cardinals lead the Angels 2-0 going into top of the 3rd......

Nootbaar homered ( 2 ) leading off the first earlier in the game........

whatever we are doing , just keep doing it.........
 
#233      
Ryllini
I like winning. Really should’ve won game 1, but it’s baseball, but when this is a fringe team, you have to win this series.

Also, I heard a clip on a radio show about the changing STL fans. Are they sending a message or is the town becoming a front running city? I kind of feel they are becoming a front runner type of fan base. 5 of 6 crowds were pathetic.
 
#234      
BillyBob1
Ryllini said:
I like winning. Really should’ve won game 1, but it’s baseball, but when this is a fringe team, you have to win this series.

Also, I heard a clip on a radio show about the changing STL fans. Are they sending a message or is the town becoming a front running city? I kind of feel they are becoming a front runner type of fan base. 5 of 6 crowds were pathetic.
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Really could have swept them.
 
#235      
OrangeBlue98
Ryllini said:
I like winning. Really should’ve won game 1, but it’s baseball, but when this is a fringe team, you have to win this series.

Also, I heard a clip on a radio show about the changing STL fans. Are they sending a message or is the town becoming a front running city? I kind of feel they are becoming a front runner type of fan base. 5 of 6 crowds were pathetic.
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I think Cardinals fans are very much in "show me" mode, and I don't blame them. The ownership and front office really hasn't committed to winning a lot over the last decade, and it's going to take time for the fan base to reestablish a level of trust.
 
#236      
pruman91
THAT'S A WINNER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!............( 4-2 )

1st place in NL Central....

Herrera with his first 3 HR game in the MLB with plenty of distance and power..........I took a long nap and missed the game but the highlights were awesome.......plus he had 6 RBI's....

good to see Wynn with 2 hits today...
Nado going 2-3 with 2 RBI;s....
NOOT with 2 hits......
Contreras w/ 2 RBI's
Sonny Gray with 6 innings and 9 K's for the win....
 
#237      
DJM
so far this year, watching Winn and Contreras hit this year is watching the Illini shoot 3's
 
#238      
Dee_4_Three_83
I know it's been a depleted Twins team and a mediocre Angels team so far, but the little things it takes to win baseball games have been on full display this home stand. So many tough, grinding at bats on offense. Some really strong starting pitching and at least some timely hitting. They seem to have a no quit mentality that is fun to watch. I would be happy if we continue this 4 out of 6 game clip. That will get us about 108 wins...lol...okay, 3 or 3.5 out of 6 would be fine too.
 
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IlliniFaninHoosierLand
Ryllini said:
Also, I heard a clip on a radio show about the changing STL fans. Are they sending a message or is the town becoming a front running city? I kind of feel they are becoming a front runner type of fan base. 5 of 6 crowds were pathetic.
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I think it's a front running city to a certain extent. Most definitely not in the way that a market like Atlanta is. But there is a certain segment of the fan base that seems to only show up and/or care when it gets into the latter part of the season and into the playoffs. That's why I've mentioned on here before about how the fanbase would react if they ever decided to do a true full rebuild like you've seen teams like the Astros do in years past.
 
#240      
wpr
IlliniFaninHoosierLand said:
I think it's a front running city to a certain extent. Most definitely not in the way that a market like Atlanta is. But there is a certain segment of the fan base that seems to only show up and/or care when it gets into the latter part of the season and into the playoffs. That's why I've mentioned on here before about how the fanbase would react if they ever decided to do a true full rebuild like you've seen teams like the Astros do in years past.
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I think the part that is frustrating to most of the fans is that they don't commit to anything. The FO dinks and dunks and tries to do the absolute very least they have to do. They want 85 wins and then let's see what happens.
Either take a couple of years and burn it down with the idea we will rebuild and come back and really Really REALLY compete. Or say we have some of the right horses, instead of rebuilding let's go get the players we need and go for it now and the next 3 years.
What they have said behind close doors is we don't have to try. We can milk this cow. That's what they have done for decades. They know they are a small market (Mid sized) team with a large market fan base and thus income. They lucked out in 2006. (I am the first person to say that I am glad they did. I made it to a WS game with my Dad and he was gone 10 months later.) In 2011 they faced elimination a few times as well.
 
#241      
IlliniFaninHoosierLand
wpr said:
I think the part that is frustrating to most of the fans is that they don't commit to anything. The FO dinks and dunks and tries to do the absolute very least they have to do. They want 85 wins and then let's see what happens.
Either take a couple of years and burn it down with the idea we will rebuild and come back and really Really REALLY compete. Or say we have some of the right horses, instead of rebuilding let's go get the players we need and go for it now and the next 3 years.
What they have said behind close doors is we don't have to try. We can milk this cow. That's what they have done for decades. They know they are a small market (Mid sized) team with a large market fan base and thus income. They lucked out in 2006. (I am the first person to say that I am glad they did. I made it to a WS game with my Dad and he was gone 10 months later.) In 2011 they faced elimination a few times as well.
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When you're in the division they're in, they can dink and dunk as much as they want. They have to commit to just be good enough to win the division and then see where the chips may fall when they get in the playoffs. They don't have to contend with being in the same division as the Phillies or Braves or Dodgers. When you've had the success the franchise has had for the better part of the last two decades and the support they get from portions of the fan base, seemingly no matter what, they have no incentive to go one definitive way with roster construction.
 
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OrangeBlue98
wpr said:
I think the part that is frustrating to most of the fans is that they don't commit to anything. The FO dinks and dunks and tries to do the absolute very least they have to do. They want 85 wins and then let's see what happens.
Either take a couple of years and burn it down with the idea we will rebuild and come back and really Really REALLY compete. Or say we have some of the right horses, instead of rebuilding let's go get the players we need and go for it now and the next 3 years.
What they have said behind close doors is we don't have to try. We can milk this cow. That's what they have done for decades. They know they are a small market (Mid sized) team with a large market fan base and thus income. They lucked out in 2006. (I am the first person to say that I am glad they did. I made it to a WS game with my Dad and he was gone 10 months later.) In 2011 they faced elimination a few times as well.
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The bolded is the key. The Cardinals have had no real incentive to be very good since people still attended games.

Had the Cardinals just said, “We will totally rebuild and look to build a World Series contender in 3-5 years”, the fan base would have understood. They probably would have enjoyed watching a young team grow together. But the front office didn’t care. If 3M people came while they were just competing for the last wild card, job done.
 
#243      
Se Il Illini
When you evaluate this ownership group, the post Larussa years will be measured against the Larussa years. Fans born after 1990 have experienced essentially unparalled success. They have not lived through the droughts like the 1970's. My simple opinion is the DeWitts got their 2 world series championships and after LaRussa left they began to just to hope to get in the playoffs in a weak division. Mike Matheny was given pretty much a championship conteder after Larussa's departure. The quality of the roster has deteriorated since then. I do not blame any of the 3 mangers for the roster. That is on ownership and middle mangement. As one poster said dink and dunk.
 
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the juiceman cometh
OrangeBlue98 said:
The bolded is the key. The Cardinals have had no real incentive to be very good since people still attended games.

Had the Cardinals just said, “We will totally rebuild and look to build a World Series contender in 3-5 years”, the fan base would have understood. They probably would have enjoyed watching a young team grow together. But the front office didn’t care. If 3M people came while they were just competing for the last wild card, job done.
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This, exactly.

And the thing is, this strategy has an expiration date, and I think that's what you're seeing with attendance this year. I also think it's supremely unfair to call St. Louis fans "fair-weather." Ownership decries St. Louis as a small market, yet this fanbase has churned out elite attendance numbers for years. Even this season we are 11th in average attendance out of the 21 teams that have had home games. Middle of the league for a "small market" team that has said they are not competing this year.
 
#245      
Se Il Illini
the juiceman cometh said:
This, exactly.

And the thing is, this strategy has an expiration date, and I think that's what you're seeing with attendance this year. I also think it's supremely unfair to call St. Louis fans "fair-weather." Ownership decries St. Louis as a small market, yet this fanbase has churned out elite attendance numbers for years. Even this season we are 11th in average attendance out of the 21 teams that have had home games. Middle of the league for a "small market" team that has said they are not competing this year.
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I totally agree that Cardinal fans are not fairweather. The Cardinal fandom is far and wide thanks to the reach of KMOX, before cable and sattelite TV. There are families. who for years planned their summer vacation around a trip to St. Louis. I think the current economy and prices of tickets along with concessions in the park will have a deterrent on attendance if this team does not perform to the norms. But that does not mean the fans have suddenly become fairweather. A lot of families are having to make choices how they spend their disposable income.
 
#246      
Dee_4_Three_83
Call me crazy, but I do think when the weather warms up, and this team shows that they can contend, we would see a more 25-30k attendance average per game. Even with just the weather improving there will be a bump.
 
#247      
Dee_4_Three_83
Found this on current attendance info. Not sure all of these teams have had home games yet, but I know we have. Edit: Nevermind, only 20 teams listed so far so this must be teams that have played home games.
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#250      
IlliniFaninHoosierLand
the juiceman cometh said:
I also think it's supremely unfair to call St. Louis fans "fair-weather." Ownership decries St. Louis as a small market, yet this fanbase has churned out elite attendance numbers for years. Even this season we are 11th in average attendance out of the 21 teams that have had home games. Middle of the league for a "small market" team that has said they are not competing this year.
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Se Il Illini said:
I totally agree that Cardinal fans are not fairweather. The Cardinal fandom is far and wide thanks to the reach of KMOX, before cable and sattelite TV. There are families. who for years planned their summer vacation around a trip to St. Louis. I think the current economy and prices of tickets along with concessions in the park will have a deterrent on attendance if this team does not perform to the norms. But that does not mean the fans have suddenly become fairweather. A lot of families are having to make choices how they spend their disposable income.
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Just wanted to point out that I said that I believe that a certain segment of the fanbase is fair-weather. Not the entire group but just a portion that doesn't usually start caring about the team until around September and will act as if they've watched the team the entire season. Atlanta still takes the cake of having the most fair-weather fanbase in sports.
 
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