Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Hmm I'm not under the impression that anyone is seeing him as a primary option next year. You mentioned Boswell and Tomi, and then the expectation as of now is that we will get a high-impact SG/wing transfer, and also possibly Sarr, or maybe even Riley? (Still unlikely). Even if you only get 1 of those and start Ty on the wing, that would put Mirk as the "4th option", as you say - with Ty being the 5th in that scenario, I guess.

Now if he can be here multiple years...
If people aren’t expecting him to be a high usage top two or even three option, then those individuals need to chill and the hate. I assumed people didn’t want him because they thought he’d be a massive piece next year. What’s not to like about the upside, and even if it isn’t ideal you’ve still got other options at his position.

Don’t get me wrong, the reason we’re here is to debate these kind of things, just the immediate dismissal of someone is kind of crazy to me, especially someone who doesn’t need to be a huge contributor.
 
#102      
Thanks! I wouldnt be surprised to see Mirkovic around 35% then. I’ll take that from a PF that can pass and score in other ways. He may be the Humrichous we were all looking for.

Regardless, none of us will know until the games start being played. I’ll wait until that point to assess this move.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see him at 35%, or 25%, or 40%, or 20%, or anything in between. It's pretty much impossible to project. I am probably a bit snakebitten by the dramatic drop in BH's 3pt% from the jump to Big Ten but the last thing I want to experience again on this board is the constant hand wringing over one player missing shots. So maybe let's all keep our expectations in check (he said in vain).
 
#103      
I am both an Illinois and a Michigan grad. Assuming even partially true, issue could be less about admissions and more about what will or won't transfer, which if he cares anything about academics could be important. Happens all the time in football...
Agree but not sure how the above is even possible anymore, for the top players (and at least for now I would classify Morez as such). You're either up and out to the pros or on the 4 schools in 4 years plan, chasing the NIL dollars. For a Jakstys-type player, I can certainly see the degree still mattering.
 
#104      
Toying with the idea of going to the Nike hoops summit since we have one committed player and another serious prospect playing on the World
Team. Challenge is to get off butt in this crappy weather we’re having here, especially if it’s going to be on Peacock anyway.
 
#105      
Still a long way to go to fill out the roster but I agree with you in that right now our roster seems similar to a Bo Ryan Wisconsin team. The good news is those teams were fairly successful and were a tough matchup. Based on our overall team speed, I wonder if we're going to be playing at a much slower pace than in previous years. Transition may be an issue for us
Transition, perhaps, but I don't think we will become a plodding Tony Bennett style offense any time soon. Having skilled big guys means the ball should be flying around. We didn't excel in transition this year, but our offense was pretty far from slow. We were number 16 in possessions per game. Of Power 5 schools, only Alabama and UCF had more.
 
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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see him at 35%, or 25%, or 40%, or 20%, or anything in between. It's pretty much impossible to project. I am probably a bit snakebitten by the dramatic drop in BH's 3pt% from the jump to Big Ten but the last thing I want to experience again on this board is the constant hand wringing over one player missing shots. So maybe let's all keep our expectations in check (he said in vain).
I agree with you. There is no way to know for sure with any of these guys until the season starts. I’m hoping he is the Humrichous we were all looking for.
 
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Ok….. hang with me here…… what stops someone from buying an Athletic Department and then running it like a business? I am not a Business major, (Psych is my game) but let’s take the enterprise value. Someone like Shad Khan says “I see the ability to make some money and support and be involved in University of Illinois athletics. I’ll buy the Athletic Department.”

Whitman becomes General Manager and then they go full business model as opposed to the charade of being “amateur athletics.” Obviously an owner would be responsible for all rules and stipulations of an athletic department.

office space creep GIF
 
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I’m not saying he is Jokic, but guys with “old man game” can still be successful. I kind of feel like Domask had a little old man game to what he did.

Usually when surrounded by athletes. Like anything else, too much of any 1 dimension can become a liability. Same with not enough of another.
 
#111      
So, I wonder if Brad and staff are pretty much over recruiting Chicago and American high school kids. Also the type of players that Illinois has on its team looks more like Iowa and Wisconsin vs say a Florida, Alabama, Baylor, Tennessee or any other athletic team in college basketball.

Not sure how I feel, as a fan, that our team has become a European club team.

Brad better when and win big this next year, I am sure the Chicago are donors are starting to get concerned with that Illinois basketball is changing and moving away from the type of players that the 89, 01, 05, and 21, 24 teams were built up from.

I’m all about skill positions, but skill without athleticism in the top ranks of college basketball and your ceiling is Gonzaga, which has come close to winning it all, but I believe one of the only reason they had good tournament runs is because of their past seedlings, which they earned by playing in the WCC.

Our Illini won’t be as lucky, these kind of rosters put together 5-7 seed line type teams at best and then we hope for match ups…

Rather be wrong and this switch in recruiting brings us a national championship, but just don’t see it. The 4 1 seeds this year were athletic and skilled. Cant just have one, and recruiting Europe will make us a big, slow and soft team, but they will be elite practice and warm up shooters.
 
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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see him at 35%, or 25%, or 40%, or 20%, or anything in between. It's pretty much impossible to project. I am probably a bit snakebitten by the dramatic drop in BH's 3pt% from the jump to Big Ten but the last thing I want to experience again on this board is the constant hand wringing over one player missing shots. So maybe let's all keep our expectations in check (he said in vain).
Was Ben's drop really super dramatic? He had 3 games where he was awful, @Nebraska, Duke, Michigan State, where he combined for 0-18. Outside of those 3, he shot 38%. He obviously struggled with confidence, because there was no reason for the much more dramatic FT% drop, other than many fewer attempts. He lost his shooting mojo at the end of January and never totally recovered.
 
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Here are some more clips of Mirkovic that popped into my twitter feed. A lot more examples of him handling the ball in this, and it kind of looks like he’s got a one-foot turnaround jumper that he likes to go to a lot.

Not sure about the 42% from 3 claim, but this tape scored a lot higher on my eye test than some of the other stuff I’ve seen.
Kind of reminds me of Luka Doncic style wise. Not saying he's at his skill level, but when I watch him play it reminds me of him. His movements. I think he'll be a good player for us this next season. Hopefully defensively we can stop somebody though!
 
#114      
Was Ben's drop really super dramatic? He had 3 games where he was awful, @Nebraska, Duke, Michigan State, where he combined for 0-18. Outside of those 3, he shot 38%. He obviously struggled with confidence, because there was no reason for the much more dramatic FT% drop, other than many fewer attempts. He lost his shooting mojo at the end of January and never totally recovered.
41% to 34% is dramatic enough that this board wouldn't shut up about it.

Also, those 3 games do actually count, but if you don't want to count them at least do the same for his Evansville stats to make a fair comparison. If you take out his 3 worst games from his time at Evansville, where he shot 1-15, then his percentages in the remaining games was 46%.
 
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Ok….. hang with me here…… what stops someone from buying an Athletic Department and then running it like a business? I am not a Business major, (Psych is my game) but let’s take the enterprise value. Someone like Shad Khan says “I see the ability to make some money and support and be involved in University of Illinois athletics. I’ll buy the Athletic Department.”

Whitman becomes General Manager and then they go full business model as opposed to the charade of being “amateur athletics.” Obviously an owner would be responsible for all rules and stipulations of an athletic department.

office space creep GIF
There are deep pockets out there thinking in exactly these terms


Though college hoops is just cannon fodder in these designs.
 
#116      
Once teams figured out Ben could not attack closeouts with any effectiveness, it was over for him

He could barely get a shot off later in the year because teams were able to just sprint at him on catches
 
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His mom was a top professional women's player in Yugoslavia and he wanted to play soccer until he got too big.

Two big thumbs up, both classic attributes of really good Euros
Good, interesting video. Thanks for sharing! :)
 
#119      
If Mirkovic is starting we got major issues. Both Ivisic are better options at 4/5 together. Mirk should be a backup big. Unless he’s Krautwig of Loyola, I don’t have much expectations for him
 
#120      
It also could be that the recruit doesn't like the credit situation when they transfer. It's not a question USUALLY of getting in, it's what credits can you bring with you. If there is any interest in academics that can be a big barrier. Again this could all be a rumor as well...
Agree but not sure how the above is even possible anymore, for the top players (and at least for now I would classify Morez as such). You're either up and out to the pros or on the 4 schools in 4 years plan, chasing the NIL dollars. For a Jakstys-type player, I can certainly see the degree still mattering.
* Morez pauses in the midst of enjoying a tome of Italian Renaissance poetry he picked up from a stall along the Rive Gauche last weekend, adjusts his beret, and arches an eyebrow *
 
#121      
Once teams figured out Ben could not attack closeouts with any effectiveness, it was over for him

He could barely get a shot off later in the year because teams were able to just sprint at him on catches
As the board's foremost "bet on our guys and retain everybody" advocate, I feel guilty not sticking up more for Humdinger.

But I just feel like Mirkovic is a better basketball player, and now clearly occupies the same role. Every indication would be that Ben will now have two more years to play (NAIA years appear to not count in the new world order), and I feel like he would probably have a happier time integrating himself into a larger role elsewhere.

He's guaranteed to shoot 50% from three if he does, we all know that.
 
#122      
We’re being built like a plodding Euro team. Without a KJ to play the PG role. Don’t like anything of this off-season really.

The last 3 adds better be home runs. Otherwise, this is a bubble team.
Agree. We are sorely in need of athletes, and our adds have been anything but that. Just look at the final four teams this past tournament. We have nobody even remotely close to as athletic as these team's most average athlete. What is this staff's vision for an identity of our team? Have they just abandoned the idea of stopping anyone from scoring?
 
#123      
Don’t get me wrong… I really like how things are shaping up, but our remaining additions need to address our overall athleticism. We need a couple of quick twitch athletes who can get out and run.

The athleticism and quickness on the floor last night was next level and eye opening compared to what we brought to the table.

I get that it was the championship game and the two best teams and that, but still… We need a couple of big time athletes to close that gap with the upper echelon teams.

JMHO.
 
#124      
I'd be surprised if they tied up resources in another major big at this point. With both Ivisii, Mirk, JJ, plus Ty being able to swap in for PF, that's already 5 scholarships going to the 4 and 5 position, of which 3 in Tomi, Z, and Mirk project to get big minutes while Ty will get most of his at guard. Just doesn't make sense to me while you still need an additional 4 W/G (2 starters, 2 backups) to fill out the roster.

Considering you have 3 walkons, 2 freshmen, and you might want to keep an open scholarships, just not sure there's much of any space left for another PF without shorting your backcourt depth
If we don't tie ourselves to an athletic 4, we're going to get absolutely destroyed defensively, whether it be because of a lack of quickness, a lack of physicality, a lack of explosiveness, etc. It's great to have skilled guys, but ultimately, basketball comes down to speed, agility, size, strength, attitude and of course ability.

Not sure if you watched last night's game, the Final Four of the Elite 8. Defensively, I don't care if John Wooden was the coach, we would have gotten absolutely obliterated on the glass on both ends and we wouldn't be able to stop anyone in the paint. The pure athleticism and strength would have run us out of the gym.

I look back at the Michigan vs Auburn Sweet 16 game. Michigan was big, tall and skilled, which is great and they played with Auburn for about 60% of the game. There was a point where you could tell that they(Auburn) were fed up, guys that were getting cute got reamed out and they locked in. Michigan got absolutely destroyed at that point. They looked to be stuck in mud and Auburn just unloaded. They went on a 24-4 run(or something insane like that) and they coasted home.

That happened to the great and fan anointed as the next coming of coaching greatness, Dusty May. He saw what happened and look what they've done in the portal. They've loaded up on physical and supremely athletic players that are more equipped to handle that. Now, the one kid may end up in the NBA, but you still see where the focus is.

I'll always support who we bring in because they chose to be part of the family. That said, next year is going to be extremely disappointing if we don't add 3 or 4 plus plus athletes to the roster, with at least one being a 4. A plus plus 2 and 3 HAVE to happen.

There are a lot of people who wonder how we weren't better given the fact that we have two first rounders on the roster. It's because neither guy was prepared physically or athletically to deal with better teams. I was there at the game versus Kentucky, six rows off the floor. The ONLY guy who looked to be able to physically at with them was Boswell. His size and physical development were apparent. Outside of him, I looked at Morez and even he wasn't anywhere near strong enough or physical enough to deal with that.

This next month is going to be critical for us. If our athleticism, physical maturity and mental maturity doesn't increase a lot.... we'll be worse than last year. No more Euros and no more youth. We need experienced, explosive and players coming out of winning domestic programs to make a next level jump.
 
#125      
As the board's foremost "bet on our guys and retain everybody" advocate, I feel guilty not sticking up more for Humdinger.

But I just feel like Mirkovic is a better basketball player, and now clearly occupies the same role. Every indication would be that Ben will now have two more years to play (NAIA years appear to not count in the new world order), and I feel like he would probably have a happier time integrating himself into a larger role elsewhere.

He's guaranteed to shoot 50% from three if he does, we all know that.
I’m still of the mindset that a role off the bench in a system he’s already familiar with would be more of a benefit for Ben than starting over somewhere else. Of course, the financial benefit would likely be better elsewhere, so that will probably win out. But finishing with a degree from Illinois would be great for a lifetime of non-basketball goals.
 
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