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This is revisionist history at best. When Chester left, there could only be three assistant coaches. OA was clearly in the fold at that time and one of either Geoff, Chester or TA had to go. Regardless of how or why, Chester left and OA was added, it was only after all that the NCAA allowed schools to expand their staff to five. That’s where Tyler and Hamer were promoted.

Adding to this, once OA came on board, TA wanted a raise. Josh decided there wasn’t money in the budget for that, so TA took his ball (and his full salary, somehow) and went home. Kwa was then added as a last minute replacement for TA.

Now, for those arguing that Tyler and Hamer should not have been promoted given their lack of experience, just who with experience could’ve Brad hired if there wasn’t enough money in the budget to pay a valuable assistant like TA more money?
I don't think this is true. Tyler and Hamer were promoted in July 2023. There were 5 assistant coach's in the 23-24 E8 season. Chester, Geoff, TA, Tyler, Hammer.

To clarify, my point being, Brad couldn't have told Chester he would rather have the 20-something run the defense over him at that time simply because that 20-something wasn't an assistant coach at the time. The 20-something could've been doing something else, but not that. The two 20-somethings were only made assistants after the NCAA changed the rule allowing two more. Chester was gone for several months at that point.

I think it's pretty clear there was some sort of riff between Chester and Brad and it probably did involve ways to run the defense and/or recruiting over his guys (Sencire and Amani, notably). Side note: On a recent West Virginia podcast, the host made reference to the WVU coaching staffing finding Chester "difficult to work with." I have no idea if that's just sour grapes with him leaving to go to Va Tech, or if there's some truth to it. There are also reports that DeVries himself is difficult to worth with, so who knows.

Interestingly enough, I'm not one to doubt the insiders with the information they provide, but I have, more or less, figured out how to read into what they say. So many people here don't seem to understand the difference between smirking Denzel and "Boom" Denzel. Likewise, The Rock smiling and Tom Cruise putting on his shades mean good things appear to be coming, but they are not an official Denzel boom. Gotta know how to read between the GIFs.
So, yes, Brad could have.
 
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Do we have any concerns that we’re leaning too heavily on the European side while struggling to engage with major U.S. players? It might be nothing, but it feels like a troubling pattern. With the resources we have, we shouldn’t be having any issues connecting with the portal guys. Indy Illini Fan
 
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I don't think this is true. Tyler and Hamer were promoted in July 2023. There were 5 assistant coach's in the 23-24 E8 season. Chester, Geoff, TA, Tyler, Hammer.


So, yes, Brad could have.


During the 23-24 seasons, five assistant coaches were allowed, but the two new ones could not be used for recruiting purposes. You’ll recall this time last year, when OA was rumored to be available, no one was asking if Tyler or Hamer would be sacrificed, the question was “how can we hire OA when we already have Chester, TA and Geoff?” The general consensus from the insiders was that Brad was ruthless and will do whatever it takes. Just wait and see. Shortly thereafter, Chester’s spot opened up.

So while I guess it IS possible that Brad told Chester the 20-somethings are taking over, it’s more likely, given what actually transpired, that Brad wanted to fill his staff with a proven recruiting ace and Chester was one of the three coaches at that time who could actually go on they recruiting trail who needed to be gone. People seem to make up crazy, highly unlikely stories around here to fit a preferred narrative.

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So while I guess it IS possible that Brad told Chester the 20-somethings are taking over, it’s more likely, given what actually transpired, that Brad wanted to fill his staff with a proven recruiting ace and Chester was one of the three coaches at that time who could actually go on they recruiting trail who needed to be gone. People seem to make up crazy, highly unlikely stories around here to fit a preferred narrative.

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I'm not sure what you're even debating anymore. My entire point was, which i reiterated in my last post, was Chester's departure was different from Chin, OA, and Gentry's. Brad would likely not have preferred to see them go. Chester, at best, was a mutual decision - if not a Brad pushing him aside. Everything you're saying is in agreement with this and how things played out before, during, and since jives with that notion.

Regarding the fitting of a "preferred narrative", it's been stated by people that know the program a lot better than I ever will that Chester was not happy about not getting more control of the defense. Like i said, that perspective may be entirely wrong. I have no idea. But, again, that fits with everything else we've seen from the outside. You can choose whatever narrative you prefer.
 
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Lets just say this and I will not expand upon this, but Chester left for more reasons than his players being recruited over and Hamer getting the reigns of running defenses. His job at WV was an arrangement marriage thanks to the program, I loved Chester as a player and he is a good person but he played a hand he should have folded.
Damn, sounds to me like was hoping to be named HC-in-waiting or something like that...
 
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Damn, sounds to me like was hoping to be named HC-in-waiting or something like that...
I have no idea if that's true, but I am very highly against the concept of HC-in-waiting. Very rarely is someone in that position so good that it's not worth opening up the field of candidates. And when they are, they rarely seem to actually wait for the job and instead get lured away by some other program anyway (see e.g., Tommy Lloyd).
 
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Brad is loving it. Probably coach till 75 :D
 
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I have no idea if that's true, but I am very highly against the concept of HC-in-waiting. Very rarely is someone in that position so good that it's not worth opening up the field of candidates. And when they are, they rarely seem to actually wait for the job and instead get lured away by some other program anyway (see e.g., Tommy Lloyd).
Matt Painter worked out pretty well. It doesn't seem to be a very common practice, so I wonder what the overall success rate is
 
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Matt Painter worked out pretty well. It doesn't seem to be a very common practice, so I wonder what the overall success rate is
Yeah, but that's kind of different in that when he went to Purdue for that head-coach-in-waiting position there was a definite and short timeline for Keady's retirement. I think that's the scenario where it can work.

Where it doesn't make sense is when the current coach might still be in that job 3, 5, 10 years down the line.
 
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Do we know this to be true?
Not sure why Huss would go back otherwise, 2 would seem right. If High Point is losing all their players in the Portal now is probably the best time to go if it's a 1 maybe 2 year wait. And of course this HCIW 100% would have to be written into the contract. Is Creighton a private school? If not the details should find their way out soon enough.
 
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Yeah, but that's kind of different in that when he went to Purdue for that head-coach-in-waiting position there was a definite and short timeline for Keady's retirement. I think that's the scenario where it can work.

Where it doesn't make sense is when the current coach might still be in that job 3, 5, 10 years down the line.
Seems like the move would be made within next two years, if this is to be believed. It would actually make sense from a continuity standpoint.

 
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It's more accurately a troll account, IMO. It's certainly not legitimate news.
That makes sense. I knew this guy wasn’t serious, but didn’t know the right term to use. I certainly wouldn’t believe Oats to the NBA until an insider like Shams started reporting it.
 
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That makes sense. I knew this guy wasn’t serious, but didn’t know the right term to use. I certainly wouldn’t believe Oats to the NBA until an insider like Shams started reporting it.
I thought it was a jab at firing your coach right before the playoffs, considering the last sentence. Especially a successful team in 4th place.
 
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I thought it was a jab at firing your coach right before the playoffs, considering the last sentence. Especially a successful team in 4th place.
If you've read about what was going on with that org though it kinda makes sense. Apparently Malone and Booth hated each other and were not talking to each other. Everybody else in the organization felt like they were being forced to choose a side. Nobody trusted anybody. Truly sounds like the two of them had turned it into an incredibly toxic situation for everyone else. And this is a team that has arguably the best player in the league. 4th place is not that great, results were trending downward, and the standings are incredibly tight. A couple more losses and they could have been 8th.

As a St. Louis sports fan I hate the Kroenkes with the fire of a thousand suns, but honestly it looks like they took a big swing when maybe the easiest thing would have been to do nothing, and I kind of respect that.
 
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