Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Deacon05
NJB Illini said:
Not trying to be that guy 😁, but last year is not exactly screaming example of success. A good amount of us were underwhelmed with the roster (in particular, the age), they weren't pre-season top-25, they finished 7th in the Big Ten, and then an early exit from the tourney. It needs to be better this time around, no excuse not to be, which I am optimistic that it will.
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Last year was a multi year plan with younger players. Unfortunately 2 people are headed to the NBA and the last guy bolted for more cash. Is what it is.
 
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illinifan1987
And last year, and the year before, and the year before that, etc...
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#230      
Combo
IlliDan said:
Seems to me that Ty slimmed down to play more of a backcourt role.Maybe puts weight back on to battle with a physical 4.
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It has little to do with weight. Slimming down wouldn't help him shoot, handle, or pass better. It might help him guard quick players, but that's about it.
 
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the juiceman cometh
IMPE Legend said:
Did I say I don't care about the players at all? No. But don't let that stop you from making an (incorrect) point.

Your point would be slightly more correct if I was paid not by a company but by those who consumed the product.
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You are, albeit in a roundabout way. The funny thing is, NIL players' compensation is far less tied to the consumers of the product than normal workers. Theoretically, a school with very few fans could do very well with just one multibillionaire alum who really cared.
IMPE Legend said:
Then would they be willing to pay me more to keep me from going to another company to produce prodects?
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Well, if the products are good, consumers generally do tend to pay more for them, and if you're doing good work, then yes it is not uncommon that a company will use its increased profits, from increased consumer spending, to retain high performing employees.

IMPE Legend said:
Would they donate more and more money each year for someone new to come in each year to produce products they aren't as familiar with? (oh...and also keep paying for the product itself) How about if consumers cared less and less about the product over the years because they don't make the product that they are familiar with...will the consumers who are less interested keep giving money to pay new people's salary each year? if you expect that to happen then your product better make it to the Final Four of products on a pretty regular basis. Cause pretty good, unfamiliar products don't tend to sustain consumer interest.
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Yeah, probably, but not sure why that's relevant here. We went from a system in which players were unable to earn money to one in which they can. It's possible that in the old system players had move value because they couldn't move and were thus more familiar to consumers, but they also couldn't cash in on that value. So more value for who?
IMPE Legend said:
So I guess my point is that your example is completely irrelevant to the current NIL system in just about every way.
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Sigh.

Ok man. If you really think your example in which your company doesn't want to pay you $5 million is extremely relevant to an NIL space in which players are actually getting the amounts of money you are complaining about, who am I to argue?
 
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HensonHall71
IlliniFan42 said:
We can't beat Michigan or St. John's on money, and he's especially wanted to go to Michigan for some time. We have the advantage of having the most open roster for him, if that means anything.
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That was my sense as well. If St John’s gets Ian Jackson that presumably would take them out of the mix, but Michigan is throwing around crazy money right now
 
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FloridaMan
Illini 993 said:
I am not disagreeing with your premise, but are there sources for your statement that the money is already drying up? NIL has gone up wildly this year, and the data that I could find seems to indicate that college hoops are making record money. I agree with your overall statement that this situation is not a great one, but outside of a negotiating entity for players to enter into binding contracts, I don't see an easy fix. Actually, I think it will end up being fixed by legislation.
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No hard data, just observing crowds on broadcasts. And personally my interest in college basketball, and specifically in Illinois basketball, is just not what it used to be. Maybe that is due to other factors in my life and/or our team, but the NIL and constant turnover is top of my mind.

Have not studied the data, but did run across one article that addresses it to a degree.

 
#236      
Trueblue777
So you think they are going to roll with that? No athletic big - rim runner/defender to go with Murk and the Ivi’s?
 
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pruman91
blackdog said:
It's like if we don't hear something positive every day people start letting their own negative thoughts take over. Just because you think a thing doesn't make it real or true. Nothing is settled, everything is in motion, and the roster now is not going to be the one that goes out on the floor.

This message is yelling into the wind but felt like I had to say it.
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IlliniFan42
FloridaMan said:
No hard data, just observing crowds on broadcasts. And personally my interest in college basketball, and specifically in Illinois basketball, is just not what it used to be. Maybe that is due to other factors in my life and/or our team, but the NIL and constant turnover is top of my mind.

Have not studied the data, but did run across one article that addresses it to a degree.

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There's so much wrong with this opinion piece, but I've got some choice statements:

"Student-athletes — almost all of whom are in college mostly to get a degree, not prepare for a professional sports career — are being dragged across the country in the middle of the school year for games that aren’t the high-profile television events networks pay top dollar for." - While true most won't go pro, that means this is their one chance at a taste of the pro lifestyle and they're making some real money now.

"The average sports fan has become more and more focused on the NBA and often pays attention to college basketball only to keep up with future draft picks." - The average sports fan has left behind the NBA, whose ratings have plummeted. I don't know a single person that says "Gosh, I love the NBA regular season." Not even NBA players want to play the NBA regular season.

"The decline in visibility of the men’s game is happening just as women’s college basketball is having a peak cultural moment" - The women's tournament ended up receiving a contract value of $65M, when estimates projected $81M - $112M. I know the NCAA is really bad at negotiating, but it's also possible despite all the media people driving up women's basketball, it's a mirage.

There's more garbage here and I could get into it more, but I think I covered the worst statements.
 
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PizzaHutParkingLot
blackdog said:
It's like if we don't hear something positive every day people start letting their own negative thoughts take over. Just because you think a thing doesn't make it real or true. Nothing is settled, everything is in motion, and the roster now is not going to be the one that goes out on the floor.

This message is yelling into the wind but felt like I had to say it.
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#247      
FightinIllini30
For what it’s worth, and I know no one necessarily cares. I would take Brooks Barnhizer… he was very inefficient this past year but when he had more pieces around him he was a solid player. I would rather have martinelli but it sounds like there’s no chance of that. Probably no chance of barnhizer either but I saw someone on here saying they’d be upset if we got him… I’d take him
 
#250      
grue2
the juiceman cometh said:
If the players don't matter then why do you care who plays on your team at all? You should be just as happy with a John Groce roster as with a Brad Underwood roster. So let's maybe just acknowledge that both fans and players matter, otherwise no conversation on this topic will ever get anywhere.

And this goes back to you whole point about you making $5 million not being good for your company. Which is correct. But I can only assume your company would never offer you $5 million. On the other hand, the pay being complained about for players is what they are actually being offered as far as I can tell. If you want a more appropriate analogy, how about this:

You work for a company that makes widgets. You do a really good job at this company, which makes and sells a lot more widgets because of the good work of you and some of your co-workers. As a result, you a promotion and a nice pay bump from $100,000 to $150,000 a year. Way to go!

But, ruh-roh, the demand for your companies widgets has gone up, as has the cost due to these pay bumps, so now the price of widgets goes from $1.50 a piece to $1.75 a piece. The companies buying your widgets to make their wompets are not happy. They are going on message boards and complaining that you IMPE Legend, and some of your other high-performing co-workers, are making way too much money. What's good for IMPE Legend is not good for the customers of wompets, because the companies that use your lowly widgets to make nice and valuable wompets, now have to charge $20.00 a piece instead of $15.00 a piece. And at the end of the day those customers are the people who matter.
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I'd say it was more like their hard work narrowed the company losses from 15M/year to 10M/year, so the total debt are down to 100M from the projected 105M. Then they turned around and demanded 6M in raises.

Everyone points out the high income without considering the expenses. It doesn't matter if you made 1B selling cars if you spend 1.5B making them. UI sports run at a 40% loss w/o the alumni bailouts each year (122M revenue, 175M expenses last year).
 
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