What did TV have to say about the SC scoring play that was snapped after the play clock hit zero? Seemed obvious in person, and Bret was livid
Illinois 34, USC 32 Postgame
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Just think-IF FEAGEN AND VALENTINE HADN'T FUMBLED THE ILLINI WIN IN A ROUT!
RabidDawgClassic
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Said the refs tend to give “a beat” when the clock hits zero before throwing the flag.
I’ve never known this to be the case, but whatta I know?
Curbelo Fanboy
BERTBALL IS LIFE
Same here. Mackovic is the bar for me. He was on the verge of something really great and sustained when he bolted for Texas. I’ve always wondered if he didn’t regret it after Texas canned him. His 7 to 9 wins a year with an occasional 10 woulda kept him in Champaign for a long long time. I suspect Bret is here for a longer duration and will far surpass both of those guys.
Should be held in a similar regard as Ayo is for Basketball imo. Of course the Chicago link for Ayo adds to his legacy but both have totally redefined the revenue sports at Illinois when factoring what they could control.
IlliniCardinal
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I was at the ‘86 USC game in the Coliseum, my first Illini game. And then at the ‘96 game at home and the ‘08 Rose Bowl. Yesterday’s game got ride of some demons. Great homecoming victory against SC.
Illini football is 2-0 against USC football teams in 2025.
Gusto
This has been the case for years and years. The way it's been explained in the past is that the ref is looking at the play clock, and when it hits 00, they look to see if the ball has been snapped. That time between play clock and ball snapped is the "beat". I feel that yesterday's was a little longer than I've seen before, but, you know... I might be biased.Said the refs tend to give “a beat” when the clock hits zero before throwing the flag.
I’ve never known this to be the case, but whatta I know?
But, I do want to add: while I love Bielema's substitution shenanigans, I'm not sure this defense is the right defense to be using it with. They seem to get discombobulated when we do the late subs, and it ends up hurting us.
This included Mike Pereira...he confirmed the extra "beat", so he said he would not have flagged it...would have let it go like the refs did. I've actually heard that before. I think that slow substitution deal that the defense was doing plays into it, as well. That was also something that Pereira commented on...that something needs to be done about players jogging off the field in that situation. He understands the defense needs to substitute, but I think he feels they shouldn't lolly-gag off the field.Said the refs tend to give “a beat” when the clock hits zero before throwing the flag.
I’ve never known this to be the case, but whatta I know?
Yeah double edged sword. I felt they were going extra slow today likely because of the heat and trying to keep guys rested, but there were a couple plays where guys on D were still looking over to the sidelines when the ball was snapped
I noticed that too. Can’t be effective.
I buy thstSaid the refs tend to give “a beat” when the clock hits zero before throwing the flag.
I’ve never known this to be the case, but whatta I know?
many times in pro games it seems like they are given an extra 1/2 second
The most subjective, capricious, and abused call in college sports.
Yeh, well, in the one on the right, after impact the tackler's head rises up, showing that that's where his force was focussed. In the one on the left, it's the tackler's shoulder that rises up after impact, showing that that's where his force was focussed. So, the one on the left is not targeting, because you're generally allowed to lead with your head, but the one on the right IS targeting, because the tackler's helmet was an Illini helmet, and it's targeting if one of those touches an opponent's helmet.
Not to dwell upon it, but truth be told that Valentine fumble simply cannot happen.
Even if you were to take knees... 6 point game, 6 minutes left, burn two minutes, go up nine... you're in GREAT position.
You have the game won in every essence... LEGITIMATELY THE ONLY thing you cannot have is what happened. Complete program wrenching catastrophe had it resulted in a L.
In all honesty probably should've been Feagin in terms of more confidence in ball security, but not sure Valentine had one fumble in his time here prior to that drive.
Even if you were to take knees... 6 point game, 6 minutes left, burn two minutes, go up nine... you're in GREAT position.
You have the game won in every essence... LEGITIMATELY THE ONLY thing you cannot have is what happened. Complete program wrenching catastrophe had it resulted in a L.
In all honesty probably should've been Feagin in terms of more confidence in ball security, but not sure Valentine had one fumble in his time here prior to that drive.
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We could have a whole hourlong video compilation of this if we also include roughing the passer calls where it's just Illinois being called for ludicrous ticky tack stuff next to egregious no calls
I agree with ball security but that was also Valentine's first career fumble and Feagin theoretically "fumbled" earlier. I think sometimes we overthink these things. Valentine has been very very good for us thus far and deserves touches. He made a great cut, hit the hole, and put on the afterburner. He'll learn from this and cover up the ball with the other hand. But so far this season almost every time we've put the ball in his hand good things have happened. This was the one exception. We need to keep giving him the rock.
awfully high bar when it comes to Illini football, but would've likely been top of the list in terms of most devastating single-plays I can remember.
Still found a way, just ideally shouldn't have been that hard.
I love our Quarterback.
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We feel like the Big 12 teams from the early 2010's where it seemed like half the games were 56-49 every week. Our offense is more ball controlled so the scores may be a little lower, but we need a last to have the ball wins scenario against good teams.
It's poor technique. Need two hands on the ball.
Don't think it would've been program wrenching, but definitely season wrenching. There's only so many games, and to simply give one away would've really sucked.
It was a rarity in the sense 1) Valentine had never fumbled 2) As much as we can criticize the close losses, game swinging terrible mistakes have really not been a theme under Bielema.
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I’m sorry but at some point our dbacks have to jump a route on third and long. We have 3 guys around the ball and they are always behind the receiver. I would also like to see us dial up some more blitz packages. Gabe seemed like he was rarely in the QB’s face.
pruman91
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IMO , Mr. Valentine will be a star All B$G and later play at the next level.....all he needs is 15-20 + reps a game , bulking up his body and experience to show his outstanding skillset........he runs like a deer , can change directions in an instant and has great acceleration in the open field.........he is one of my top 5 favorites on this special team........he really really is......
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