Lol i didn't realize it was that big of buy out was just trying to pass on what I read.but yea thats massive buyout id be living it up with that fr
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If Brad Underwood retires tomorrow and JW hires Roger Powell to replace him, are you going to be satisfied with that?
For the same reason your answer should obviously be no, Penn St. fans would also be unhappy with hiring Rhule.
This comparison might make sense if Roger had coached in the NBA and at two other power conference jobs.
It's not perfect, I agree, but what did Matt Rhule do at any of those jobs that should impress Penn St. fans?
The comparison was meant to highlight that fans are not going to just fawn over a coaching hire merely because it's an alum.
While he's struggled to turn Nebraska around, he did an excellent job with Baylor and Temple and Penn State could be a good fit for him. But if I were a Penn State fan, I wouldn't be thrilled.
As we see all over, it is tough to win. I thought Lincoln Riley would have a monster built by now at USC. DeBoer has a great Bama team, but it's been very hard to keep that train rolling. Florida has dropped off big time, and Miami is winning now, but they have spent an ungodly amount of money to get there. And Clemson, with the continuity they've had, is falling apart.
As I type this, I am thrilled we found our coach.
I think state fans would and should be annoyed if they hire rhule but this is a wee bit hyperbolic..
.533 with p4 & NFL head coaching experience vs .333 at a mid major.
In other news...man the candidate year is bleak. I don't see anyone other than Cignetti that would be an upgrade
Dabo has been exposed this year - he would get eaten alive in the big 10
Once again, it was not meant to be a one-to-one comparison.
It's meant to highlight that fans are not just going to be like "Oh he's an alum! Oh cool!"
Penn State have painted themselves into a corner. There really is no good answer here as that buy out and new hire will cost near 8 figures to a school that has some financial issues. They have plans and expense to renovate Beaver Stadium and they have closed a few smaller campuses across the state. Cignetti is the obvious choice but does he want to coach that mess? He has built IU into a contender. Coaching egos would have him taking the job if offered. This will be an interesting offseason for coaches as the hot seat for some have heated up. Clemson, Colorado, Arkansas and of course Penn State will make things fun to see if they all change course. If Cignetti turns the PSU job down if offered, would he want to look at Clemson if Dabo is fired? What about Michigan? Is Moore safe? What if Ferentz leaves Iowa? Musical chairs at the highest level. Cignetti holds all the cards if several teams make a run at him. Grab the popcorn as I am glad BB isn’t part of any of this mess.
Yeah, time between clicking 'reply', 'send' and seeing your response elsewhere included coffee.
Your point is understood, but I think you're undervaluing how crazy & cultish Penn St football fans are.
C'mon, people say that about every major fanbase (including ours, particularly in basketball). No fanbase is so cultish they'll blindly accept a clear step down in coaching pedigree just because the guy wore their uniform 30 years ago.
RabidDawgClassic
- Los Angeles, CA
I dunno… this is a fan base that did, and still does, absurd mental gymnastics to absolve their beloved former leader of any wrongdoing in a major pedophilia case, despite obvious evidence to the contrary. While they likely wouldn’t jump all over Matt Rhule as their next savior, “cultish” is certainly a word that can be used to describe the PSU fan base.
mhuml32
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Who was the last Big Ten coach poached by another Big Ten school?
RabidDawgClassic
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Chip Kelly (UCLA) by Ohio State before last season.
The knock on Franklin is he doesn't win games vs. top5/top-10 teams.
Rhule has exactly 2 wins against ranked opponents in his entire career as a head coach, and both were while at Temple. These are those wins:
#21 ECU in 2014
#20 Navy in 2016
Neither was against P4 competition. Here is every ranked game he's had since he's been at Baylor:
2017:
#3 Oklahoma - L (49-41)
@#16 Ok St. - L (59-16)
#23 WVU - L (38-36)
@#10 TCU - L (45-22)
2018:
@#6 Oklahoma - L (66-33)
@#9 Texas - L (23-17)
@ #13 WVU - L (58-14)
@ #23 Iowa St. - L (28-14)
2019:
#10 Oklahoma (Baylor ranked #18) - L (34-31)
# 6 Oklahoma (N - Baylor ranked #8) - L (30-23)
#5 Georgia (N - Baylor ranked #8) - L (26-14)
2023:
@ #22 Colorado - L (36-14)
#2 Michigan - L (45-7)
#20 Iowa - L (13-10)
2024:
#24 Illinois (Neb ranked #22) - L (31-24 - YES!!)
@ #16 Indiana - L (56-7)
@ #4 OSU - L (21-17)
2025:
#21 Michigan - L (30-27)
Don't blame you if you lost track, but in his time at Baylor and Nebraska that is a 0-18 record vs ranked teams. If you're the Penn St. AD, and your job depends on making a hire who can Win The Big Game, is this the guy you call?
white out energy!!!!!
Just a guess here...I don't think they will can him, but if they did, they'd pass the hat and get 1/3rd of it paid down, then negotiate to spread the rest over time, at some rate. His contract, I would think, would be public, and somewhere in the fine print it may have options like this. Just a guess.Lol i didn't realize it was that big of buy out was just trying to pass on what I read.but yea thats massive buyout id be living it up with that fr
Not sure if PSU is really looking to move on from Franklin. If they are, they are insane. They have 2 bad losses in the past 5 seasons (to us and to UCLA). Otherwise, their worst regular season loss was to the #12 ranked team on the road. Their other regular season losses are to #1, #2, #3 (3 times), #4, $5 (twice) and #6 (twice). That is a very impressive record, and the odds are extremely high that any replacement would fail to match it. Not to mention the cost of the buyout.
sbillini
- st petersburg, fl
definitely sounds like a planted story. I'd guess a wealthy, well-connected booster that wants to - anonymously - get the conversation rolling on this.
regardless, yea, 56M is no small number. And it only goes down by 8M/year. But Texas A&M paid $75M to buy out Jimbo Fisher, so i guess if there's a will, there's a way.
sbillini
- st petersburg, fl
Wasn't chip kelly more him bailing on UCLA than OSU poaching him? If Bret Bielema left tomorrow to be DC at Michigan, i'm pretty sure that there would be much more to the backstory than OSU poaching a coach from a fellow Big Ten team.
Not to mention the whole "can't win big games" thing is one of those demons that history has shown can be exorcised. See e.g. Andy Reid. It's harder to just simply find a good football coach.
Him or Dillingham …
And I expect change there … Franklin is very much getting the word out there that he is open to a move …
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