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Hard to really get a good read given the competition and its lack of height, but he didn’t look totally out of place. Still not sure he’ll ever get much in the way of significant minutes. I seem to remember because of injury/illness and foul trouble there were 1 or 2 games we tried to use Lieb against real competition and he was not up for it. Again, just one game against inferior competition, but I think Jakstys could get to that point where he can play some minutes in situations like that at least and not kill us.

Also with the context of him being a redshirt freshman there's no reason to not expect more improvement. He's probably going to be a guy that never gets a single play run for him his entire career but if he can a good defender, rebound, and put himself in good positions to be an outlet on offense that will be enough to get him minutes. At this point it looks like he has potential to be that guy.
 
#227      
Thank you for the constructive feedback (seriously).

From my perspective, I did lead with some very positive comments. Hum and Jake having solid games and filling their roles is a big improvement. I even mentioned twice that the offense was much smoother with Jake. What I did not include was all of the flowery hype. I find it overstated to the point that I would not trust anything else written.

Maybe a way to see the difference is to parallel the two writing styles to slapstick vs. dry humor. One is there if you look at what is actually said. The other is in your face, you can't miss it. Both are valid forms. An example is my question of "I'm not sure why people conflate observations for improvement with unhappiness, or a lack of excitement?" If considered, it is actually a statement pointing out that there is no logical conclusion between the two. It is presented as a question to soften the tone; understated vs. an argument provoking "You are wrong to conflate the two."

I accept that most people in this forum make orange-tinted comments all the way. If that is what makes them happy, go for it. It isn't hurting anyone. I hope that others are open enough to accept that there are those of us with more analytic/tempered views. That doesn't make us any less passionate about the team. Some of the replies (and likes) to my posts make it clear that I'm not alone. I do put up an initial warning so that those who only want the glow can skip the note; I won't be offended. I also won't complain about the blind rah-rah notes.

Now back to our regularly scheduled Illini discussions.
I'm with you grue.

I wonder if people have these same conversations in real life. Everyone I talk to about sports enjoys analysis and critiquing. I don't think I'd be very interested in discussions that were mere cheerleading for my team.
 
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Watch BAM when Mirk throws the underhand pass. He wasn't impressed.

When we win the Natty my cup will be overflowing! A lot!

Big Z said that he is here to learn what Tomi has learned. Don't worry, he is watching.

I read this entire thread. Why all the nasty arguing? This should be ILL! INI!
 
#233      
I know we aren't comparing directly but Timmy was actually a pretty great athlete. His nickname seems to fool a lot of people into thinking he couldn't be explosive/spectacular.

Not to mention he was a high level swimmer too.
 
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Thank you for the constructive feedback (seriously).

From my perspective, I did lead with some very positive comments. Hum and Jake having solid games and filling their roles is a big improvement. I even mentioned twice that the offense was much smoother with Jake. What I did not include was all of the flowery hype. I find it overstated to the point that I would not trust anything else written.

Maybe a way to see the difference is to parallel the two writing styles to slapstick vs. dry humor. One is there if you look at what is actually said. The other is in your face, you can't miss it. Both are valid forms. An example is my question of "I'm not sure why people conflate observations for improvement with unhappiness, or a lack of excitement?" If considered, it is actually a statement pointing out that there is no logical conclusion between the two. It is presented as a question to soften the tone; understated vs. an argument provoking "You are wrong to conflate the two."

I accept that most people in this forum make orange-tinted comments all the way. If that is what makes them happy, go for it. It isn't hurting anyone. I hope that others are open enough to accept that there are those of us with more analytic/tempered views. That doesn't make us any less passionate about the team. Some of the replies (and likes) to my posts make it clear that I'm not alone. I do put up an initial warning so that those who only want the glow can skip the note; I won't be offended. I also won't complain about the blind rah-rah notes.

Now back to our regularly scheduled Illini discussions.
For those that need a TL;DR: if we didn't love this team we wouldn't be posting on a forum dedicated to it.
 
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I agree with you. He moves well, has decent skills and has put on significant good weight. Different class than our previous project big man who transferred away.

I think next year is he starts to get meaningful minutes in games that matter.
From the too little I have seen JJ move, shoot, and defend over the past, I have been somewhat impresses with him. Yes, he seems to function with this team at a higher level that Lieb. Hope I am right and he can find the floor and contribute. I have seen a kid with less talent become All-Valley at Missouri State. Watching his development was truly a privilege. Hope JJ can do the same.
 
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Maybe lead with the positives. Most of us can accept constructive/fair criticisms if they are tempered with some well-deserved praise for what was clearly an exciting start to the season. I'll help you: Start with this: "The two freshmen starters both overperformed for freshmen. Mirkovich is so much fun to watch with his infectious enthusiasm. Keaton Wagler, especially in the second half, was very impressive. Tomi and Kylan did exactly what we expected them to do, and Jake Davis and Hummer had the best games I've ever seen from either of them. Now, when you add in your nit-picky criticisms, they're much more palatable.
If Mirk can trash talk, we can compare him to the “Bird”.
 
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Hard to really get a good read given the competition and its lack of height, but he didn’t look totally out of place. Still not sure he’ll ever get much in the way of significant minutes. I seem to remember because of injury/illness and foul trouble there were 1 or 2 games we tried to use Lieb against real competition and he was not up for it. Again, just one game against inferior competition, but I think Jakstys could get to that point where he can play some minutes in situations like that at least and not kill us.
My impression was that he looked like he belonged, and not a last minute off-thought by the coach to put him in. He came in, contributed, hustled, and didn't look out of place.
 
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My impression was that he looked like he belonged, and not a last minute off-thought by the coach to put him in. He came in, contributed, hustled, and didn't look out of place.
All true. But I don’t think the question is can he play college basketball at a D1 school — if it was, I think he proved he can with that game. Now can he become a consistent contributor in the B1G down the line? I think that question remains to be answered. It was certainly a good first step, but I’m not willing to answer yes to that question based on an outing against a size-deficient SWAC team. But I won’t rule that out and I’m pulling for him.
 
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All true. But I don’t think the question is can he play college basketball at a D1 school — if it was, I think he proved he can with that game. Now can he become a consistent contributor in the B1G down the line? I think that question remains to be answered. It was certainly a good first step, but I’m not willing to answer yes to that question based on an outing against a size-deficient SWAC team. But I won’t rule that out and I’m pulling for him.
Well he has 4 years! I would think he wil become a solid player off the bench. He worked hard to get bigger and stronger....keep it going! Hope he developes nicely!
 
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