Alabama 90, Illinois 86 Postgame

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#327      
Don't really agree with this. This is one we could/should have won if we do just one of the many things posters have pointed out as reasons we let it slip away.

Now, it really puts the onus on us winning at least 2 of Uconn/Tenn/Mizzou. Not an easy ask by any stretch of the imagination, so the loss last night really puts us behind the eight ball. Lose 2 or all three of those games and you're gonna struggle for a top 3 seed most likely. Another missed opportunity in a super hyped game with a chance to really vault into the tournament favorites discussion. These games matter, and they leave an impression, IMO.
If we're really a top 3 seed caliber team, we still have a whole season to prove it. If we aren't, we won't.
 
#328      
Don't really agree with this. This is one we could/should have won if we do just one of the many things posters have pointed out as reasons we let it slip away.

Now, it really puts the onus on us winning at least 2 of Uconn/Tenn/Mizzou. Not an easy ask by any stretch of the imagination, so the loss last night really puts us behind the eight ball. Lose 2 or all three of those games and you're gonna struggle for a top 3 seed most likely. Another missed opportunity in a super hyped game with a chance to really vault into the tournament favorites discussion. These games matter, and they leave an impression, IMO.

I do think this ties into what he was saying. Of course you can't lose this game and then continue to just lose and lose and lose some more.

He started his next sentence with "Gotta be better..." so I think he is just saying this game is okay if you lose in a vacuum, but otherwise take care of business throughout your schedule.

When we start saying its "not okay to lose vs a top 15 team" then people are going to start discussions about this game being a "must-win" which it really wasn't. We weren't going to go undefeated, so which game would've been better to lose? If we get through the non-conference with 2 losses to top 5-15 teams, and then have an equally successful conference season, then we most certainly won't be looking at a 4 seed (struggle to get a 3 as you said).
 
#329      
After re-watching the game, the Illini also missed a few good looks at the rim. I realize that Alabama's big men probably were more athletic than most team's big men and their quickness and quick hands were a factor. Despite what most would term kind of a so-so performance by Mirkovic (4-13 FG), he still had 10 and 10. It's one reason I think the floor for this Illini team is considerably higher than some previous teams. For practical purposes, they played without Tomi being a factor and with Petrovic showing only a glimpse of what he brings to the table...and still had a chance to take the game in the final 4 minutes.
 
#330      
Great game and big missed opportunity. Especially since I believe this team can be in contention for a 1- seed and having this win would've been huge. So that's a big miss.

Having said that, I love how we played. When you play an elite coached team like Alabama, they gonna do things that throw us off. And they did that. And if we just made fts we win. With a hobbled Z, Tomi on limited mins and Petrovic rusty.

So I don't see any alarming trends coming out of this game. I am getting a better understanding of lineup combos. We need to trash any lineup that has either Ben or Jake Davis playing at the 3 and honestly entertain the idea of going extremely small at times.

Best Lineup: Boswell, Wagler, Andrej, Mirkovic, Tomi

Go small for stretches: Petrovic, Boswell, Wagler, Andrej and Tomi/Mirkovic

Never want to see any lineup with these 3 on the floor together: Davis/Ben, Mirkovic, and either Ivisics

Also Having Ty to play at the 4 for small lineups would have been fun.
I'll go with most of this, but MP starting at the point. He looked every bit the true point guard. You can't fake 5 assists in only approx. 10 minutes. And I watched him exlusively when Bama had the ball. He knows what he's doing--moving his feet properly, keeping his man in front, and fighting strong thru screens. He's a grown man, mature and strong, enabling him to do that. His trey in his one and only shot attempted means you have to guard him strong on the perimeter. IMO, this guy will make every other player better.
 
#331      
Yep, I'm still very high on this team. But we have to prove we can win this type of game and last night there were just too many mental errors, and despite injuries and working guys back in, we win without them. Have to get those things cleaned up and especially define rolls and get our confidence in the right place, or we will not beat teams like Uconn/Tenn/Mizzou.

And a 4 seed has one the tournament 1 time in the last 10 years. So, to me, a top three seed is really imperative.
 
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#332      
Last night was exactly the type of opponent and environment I always want to see at the UC game. Sure, I’d love to always win that game. But you had a big-name opponent that drew an electric crowd for an 8PM Wednesday tip. I anticipate UConn will be the UC opponent next year.

Bring it on.
I'm curious. I wasn't following closely but it seems like the folks estimating attendance here were pessimistic a couple weeks ago. Did sales ramp up late? Did the DIA put on a big push?

As others have said, I'm impressed with our fans showing up strong for a midweek game with an 800 advertised start.
 
#333      
My main takeaway from last night is a reminder that over the last few years we struggle against top tier teams with athletic bigs.
What also concerned me was that only Boswell and Petrovic were able to drive to the hole/create their own shot against this team.
IMO we have two very good players and a bunch of good players. It’s very early in the season but I’m projecting now that this is likely a sweet 16 team unless at least one more guy progresses to be able to create his own shot and have the ability like the two aforementioned players to carry the team on their back offensively against elite athletic teams.
Couldn’t we just run set plays to get players open for shots instead of basically resorting to players trying to create a shot for themselves. I have distant memories of Cory Bradford and Dee and Luther running through all sorts of screens to get open shots. Stuff like that.
 
#334      
As much as we focus on the free throws, which we absolutely should in this particular game, the fact of the matter is that when we NEEDED to string together stops, we couldn't. We knew this team was going to struggle defensively before the season started, but now it's here and it hit us in the face.

We're lamenting free throws, but the much in bigger picture is that keeping "good" teams under 90 is going to be a real challenge for this group. I know last year this was Hamer's fault, as noted by some, but the "new guy" is going to have the same hurdles.
Alabama AVERAGED 90ppg each of the past two seasons. In that brutal SEC - which it was last year - they averaged 90ppg for the year. They went to St Johns and put up 103. We didn't get enough stops at the end, but you knew coming in Illinois would have to match some points.

What you have to realize with missing FTs is that you're GIVING AWAY points. One of our better players/shooters going up and missing two is no different - actually worse - than giving up a layup on the other end. When they score it's at least earned - missing foul shots is just shooting yourself in the foot.
 
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Attendance is public, and we had nearly 18,000 at the UC on a weeknight ... damn impressive! It sucks we lost, but I cannot emphasize enough how important I think it is to be playing at that venue in front of a full house. Sure, you had thousands of Illini alumni taking advantage of seeing the team close to home, but there were also so many kids there and tons of folks with just Bulls gear on that I presume might not closely follow college basketball now but could in the future. Both of those groups are "learning" that Illinois is the de facto team to root for if you live in this state, and that is an invaluable thing for our brand and thus our program's ceiling.
 
#336      
BAMA AVERAGED 90ppg each of the past two seasons. In that brutal SEC - which it was last year - they averaged 90ppg. Sure we didn't get enough stops at the end, but you knew coming in Illinois would have to match some points.

What you have to realize with missing FTs is that you're giving away points. One of our better players/shooters going up and missing two is no different - actually worse - than giving up a layup on the other end. When they score it's at least earned - missing foul shots is just shooting yourself in the foot.

The wildest thing is the misses were by our best free throw shooters... Mirk was at 90% on the season, Wagler was at 85%, Stoj shot 82% at Cal on 165 attempts... Boswell missed the 1 at the end but was 6-7 for the game... Big Z did miss 2 and he's not a great foul shooter though at 72% career-wise
 
#337      
After re-watching the game, the Illini also missed a few good looks at the rim. I realize that Alabama's big men probably were more athletic than most team's big men and their quickness and quick hands were a factor. Despite what most would term kind of a so-so performance by Mirkovic (4-13 FG), he still had 10 and 10. It's one reason I think the floor for this Illini team is considerably higher than some previous teams. For practical purposes, they played without Tomi being a factor and with Petrovic showing only a glimpse of what he brings to the table...and still had a chance to take the game in the final 4 minutes.
This is where I'm at. We played a C+ game (at best) and caught Bama on a night where they shot 36% from 3, got a huge contribution from a role player & a star performance from their All-American. We were right with them till the buzzer
 
#338      
Losing a game like this is okay this time of year.

Gotta be better, but the build is to peak in 3 months, not right now. Finish strong in the non-conference and compete for a big ten title.
Yep, works for Izzo just about every season, I suspect it'll work for us this season
 
#339      
Was called a doomer for pointing out the free throw shooting after Game 1. That's why you identify room for improvement when you crush cupcakes. These things have a habit of coming around.
Squirrels without vision sometimes stumble upon food..
 
#341      
Well, I’ve seen almost a dozen of the top teams in college basketball so far this year and it looks like a real dog fight to me. I don’t see anyone as the obvious best team in America, certainly not Purdue. And I also don’t think we’ve seen Illinois yet. We got what, 30 minutes and six points total out of our twins last night. That certainly is not what we expect to see in January and February.
I really do think the sky is the limit with this group. How far we are able to go will depend on defense and toughness ... in other words, not beating ourselves. While last night was a bit of a regression in that regard, we are still SO much further ahead of last year in this aspect, and I think it is reasonable to expect continued improvement! Putting aside the data and analytics for a second, the "DNA" of this team is just so superior to last year from what I have seen in just about every aspect, and I am super excited. I'm hoping the 'Bama loss really helps us look in the mirror and see where there is room for improvement, and I am really eager to see how we look in our next big test. I said in another thread that I think UConn will be a really big challenge, but I am sort of highlighting the Tennessee game in Nashville as a really good measuring stick for where we are as far as a quest for a top seed.
 
#342      
One thing that isn’t being talked about enough is Petrovic’s on ball defense.. a lot of us expected him to really struggle there. He actually contained the dribble drive and stayed in front (and also have to take into account the guys he was guarding: they’re as good of penetrators as he will see). Really encouraging.
 
#343      
One thing that isn’t being talked about enough is Petrovic’s on ball defense.. a lot of us expected him to really struggle there. He actually contained the dribble drive and stayed in front (and also have to take into account the guys he was guarding: they’re as good of penetrators as he will see). Really encouraging.
Yes. There were some missed communication stuff though
 
#346      
Couldn’t we just run set plays to get players open for shots instead of basically resorting to players trying to create a shot for themselves. I have distant memories of Cory Bradford and Dee and Luther running through all sorts of screens to get open shots. Stuff like that.

I sure would like to see that occasionally, we get in some serious droughts and it would be nice to have a few of these in our back pocket.
 
#347      

Couldn't have said it better myself, Nate.
Head Coach Nate Oats Postgame Comments
"That's a good team we just played. They're going to be competing for a national championship in my opinion. They're going to be in the mix. They're talented, they've got depth, they're hard to keep off the glass. I thought our guys fought and we still got outrebounded, but we fought a lot harder than we did against Purdue. We were down the whole first half and we were fighting to be within one at the half with how much we were being outrebounded. I thought we were fortunate and came out in the second half a lot better by taking the lead and making a run to hold them off down the stretch."
https://rolltide.com/news/2025/11/1...ts-no-8-8-illinois-90-86-in-the-united-center
 
#348      
People really focusing on the wrong negative. Our 3 pt defense was brutal. Frankly, I thought they missed more wide open looks than contested ones.

In reality, we played well, they played well. Neither team delivered its best punch. Feels more like a missed opportunity than a disappointment.
 
#349      
I find it difficult to be too frustrated with last night's result. Alabama is a top 10 team.

Cons:
- Illinois had effectively 30 empty Ivisic minutes offensively, thanks to Tomi being very rusty and Z being a bit off today.
- Illinois shot uncharacteristically poor from the FT line, especially in the second half.
- The rebound battle was even last night, thanks largely to rusty Ivisic and tentative Mirk in the second half.
- Illinois couldn't score effectively at the rim (18-28) or from midrange (2-13)
- Illinois was actually in foul trouble, which is uncharacteristic of them.
- 11 turnovers

Pros:
- Petrovic had 5 assists in 12 minutes in his first game action
- Mirk still had 10 and 10 in the first half
- Illinois was getting better shots in the second half than the first, they just wouldn't fall.
- Illinois was getting to the FT line in the second half, they just wouldn't fall.
- When they got down, they fought back and were one play from getting the lead back late.
- They had 17 assists, more than Alabama
- They were still able to somewhat limit rim opportunities despite the rusty big minutes.
- Despite all the cons, they were in no way outclassed by a top 10 team that was firing on all cylinders in the second half.

The reason you schedule these kinds of games early is so you can get good film and improve as a team. I feel a little better about this team today than I did yesterday, because things went so uncharacteristically wrong in key areas they usually excel at, and they lost by four. If they play their game and make shots like normal, they win this game even with Ivisic being a non-factor and the freshmen being quiet.

This team was in no way "out over their skis", that's just absurd. And if you look at the ratings this morning, they mostly agree, this is just as good a team yesterday as they rate today.
Mirk had 10 & 7 in the first half
 
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