The NIL business model

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#51      
Battle89
aaeismacgychel said:
I'm still waiting for the moment someone takes an NIL deal from the boosters of one school, then decides to bolt for a better NIL deal at a second school, and after the first school refuses to pay them, the player takes that first school's boosters to court to try and get that payment still under the auspices that they're still willing to do the agreed upon appearances per the original agreement they signed. Get that double dip upheld.
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This is the answer I've given in (past versions of) the current NIL thread...I'm sure Morez would be more then happy to take our money, honor his contract, and make appearances for the now-famous Champaign Tire and Radiator. But once he goes to Michigan, it is Illinois who no longer wants to have the contract, and it goes away. Until the above...
 
#52      
STLini25
Mr. Tibbs said:
Sad Go Away GIF by La Guarimba Film Festival

I wasnt aware of the details on that one
it just seems to me that giving out all the NIL funds at the beginning of the season in any sport is problematic
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You are right. Generally it’s spread over a number of months. Basketball would have payments built into the second semester. However, it’s a negotiation and students obviously want their money more quickly.
 
#53      
WolfpackIllini
STLini25 said:
You are missing the point or making it way too complicated. The athlete can transfer. If he transfers, cannot is void. NIL cannot prevent transfer.
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If the contract is written that the contract is void if the kid transfers, then that has zero protection for the donor/school, which makes no sense to me.
Sorry to go down the rabbit hole, so I will check out on this topic from here.
 
#54      
STLini25
WolfpackIllini said:
If the contract is written that the contract is void if the kid transfers, then that has zero protection for the donor/school, which makes no sense to me.
Sorry to go down the rabbit hole, so I will check out on this topic from here.
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The payment is not made 100% on day 1
 
#55      
gibb52
I don't have any more expertise than anybody else here but I do believe that there will at some point be some schools that will throw in the towel. I think the first stage of that will start when the ACC implodes in a few years. The teams that don't land in the B1G or SEC are going to look for a home somewhere but several won't find one. BC, Cuse, Wake etc might decide the hell with it at that point.
 
#56      
STLini25
gibb52 said:
I don't have any more expertise than anybody else here but I do believe that there will at some point be some schools that will throw in the towel. I think the first stage of that will start when the ACC implodes in a few years. The teams that don't land in the B1G or SEC are going to look for a home somewhere but several won't find one. BC, Cuse, Wake etc might decide the hell with it at that point.
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One possibility is a FBS 1 basically SEC and B10 maybe a few others. 40-50 teams.

And a FBS 2 basically ACC and B12 leftovers and maybe G5.

Similar structures just different caps (when that’s allowed)
 
#57      
BalloonsTheElephant
Any restrictions on salary, transfers, or eligibility have already been ruled on and almost 100% in favor of the athlete. Any rules put in place will automatically be circumvented by the former blue bloods and they will once again take over.

The wild west benefits us much more than it hurts us, especially with an extremely competent AD and head coach. The only way to make it work is a CBA (mentioned multiple times), but then again you are dealing with 18-22 year old kids who are trying to make as much money as they can in a short window. A CBA may put more restrictions on their ability to make money or transfer. I don't think they'd be willing to sign that.
 
#58      
SeattleSlim
Illini in Italy said:
I think one topic that no one is discussing regards the other XX number of intercollegiate sports activities that fall under the DIA's purview. With the big money sports (MBB, FB) generating 99.999% of the revenues, how long until today's collective university system spins off those big money sports outside the DIA as seperate legal entities with only an "affiliation" to the universities to wall off concerns over Title IX and DIA funding? "Welcome to Gies Memorial Stadium/ the State Farm Center, home of the Fighting Illini, sponsored by the University of Illinois at Urbana Campaign". It also solves the issue of a CBA/antitrust exemption . . . . . can you say minor leagues?

And the other sports? They can continue to be funded by the DIA, but with a MUCH smaller budget, if any budget is left over.
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Interesting … just a couple of off the top of my head thoughts … how much would a university charge for such an affiliation (i.e., how much is the brand worth)? And then there’s the danger of having that brand in the hands of an outsider who may not always treat it with the respect alumni expect.

My solution? Let the lawyers feed … but bar them from making or enforcing laws. It’s incestuous.
 
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Illiniaaron
I'm wondering what is the point of having all of this associated with colleges and universities, other than the infrastructure that colleges and universities have to run athletic programs. The pleasure for me at least was your university out-recruiting and out-strategizing on an amateur level. Granted that didn't happen much at Illinois. Now it's basically another pro league. I get that itch scratched by the NFL. I know its already reducing my interest in Illinois football. There were some posting on here a few years ago that all they wanted was 6 wins and a bowl game. Under this new environment and the 12 team playoff that will almost certainly be expanded to 16, I doubt many of us will be happy much longer with even 8 or 9 wins a year and a Dec. 31 bowl game.
 
#60      
Dkayak
Illiniaaron said:
Now it's basically another pro league. I get that itch scratched by the NFL.
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This is a key point. How will the NCAA differentiate their product as it morphs into a fully pro league? The NFL looms as a growing competitor for fan energy. NFL teams have home cities and the NCAA teams will soon have only home/sponsoring universities. Will a university sponsorship alone be perceived as a significant differentiator?

College rosters can also have much higher more turnover than the NFL, making it tougher for fans to get to know and embrace “their” squad. Imagine being an Iowa State fan. Their 2026 roster has been gutted, with only 16 players remaining. Fans must feel they’ve been betrayed. They were really on a roll, then kaboom! Suddenly it’s all gone. Will they commit as fully to their new pro team? Why bother? This doesn’t happen in the NFL.
 
#61      
Navy_illini
I think the schools are going to get smarter about the contracts and as we are starting to see the schools are going after players who break the contract. Players will not be viewed as kids when they have agents and are trying to get too dollar.

I am interested to see the long term consequences on the nonprofitable sports. If the football team gets x million are women athletes entitled to it under Title IX. Could a university say we don’t give athletic scholarships but have donors fund certain sports. If that is the case I could see Football, men’s and women’s Basketball, volleyball, and baseball being the major sports with certain schools specializing in other sports like hockey
 
#62      
Ryllini
This may have been discussed as I havent read this whole thread, but I'm very curious about all of these agents and the multiple parties they represent. Are these agents representing players and coaches simultaneously? Are they representing a coach and a player on their roster? Are these agents actually professionals? This set up doesn't seem like any best interest could be served for anyone but the agent.
 
#64      
AirTran
Mr. Roberts said:
NIL is the wild, wild west. No rules, no limits, and no place for angels. Everyone is a free agent every year. It is a non-keeper auction fantasy league with no limits on spending to build a team..

I do not see how this is even remotely sustainable. Ultimately, the teams with the most cash will buy whoever they want, and the rest of the donors and fans will eventually lose interest. As much as I have enjoyed these last two years, competing with our peers to be 7th best in the Big Ten will get old. I fear college sports (as we know them) are on borrowed time.
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Except for one problem. You can only put 11 players on the field at a time. In the end the teams with the most cohesive and capable coachings staffs, physical development and healthcare and film room/breakdown organizations will win. Same as in the past. As for all the good players heading to certain schools because they have all the money, that's a myth. It's how you spend the money and whether you can build a team atmosphere. It takes 90 players and roughly 90 coaches and staffs to win championships. Seldom do the teams that spend the most money win.
 
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STLini25
AirTran said:
Except for one problem. You can only put 11 players on the field at a time. In the end the teams with the most cohesive and capable coachings staffs, physical development and healthcare and film room/breakdown organizations will win. Same as in the past. As for all the good players heading to certain schools because they have all the money, that's a myth. It's how you spend the money and whether you can build a team atmosphere. It takes 90 players and roughly 90 coaches and staffs to win championships. Seldom do the teams that spend the most money win.
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Extremely high correlation to highest spending on players and winning in college football
 
#71      
BashCtIllini
Mr. Tibbs said:
but QB and kicker are two positions that you can do in the NFL for 15 years or more
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Yes, hall of famers can. The majority cannot.

There is also the threat of injury looming over every player. Anyone who says I'm a first 2 day draft pick, but I'm staying in college because I will make more next season is an idiot and getting horrible advice.
 
#73      
ChiefGritty
Navy_illini said:
For those who do not think players owe money when they break their contract. This one isn’t NIL but revenue sharing. This almost like MLB trades for cash

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Texas Tech transfer Brendan Sorsby owes 7-figure payment to Cincinnati due to NIL contract details

This is a fascinating part of the new world.
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Makes sense, this is how coaching contracts work. Buyout clauses are a promising way to bring some structure and sanity to the process. Courts look upon them favorably too, shouldn't be any antitrust or non-compete ban issues.
 
#74      
Navy_illini
BashCtIllini said:
Yes, hall of famers can. The majority cannot.

There is also the threat of injury looming over every player. Anyone who says I'm a first 2 day draft pick, but I'm staying in college because I will make more next season is an idiot and getting horrible advice.
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I agree but if you can get 1 million in a contract you are making more money than ~100th draft pick. Only round 1 and now 2 guaranteed anything. In the NFL if you are cut you might not have a pay check. If you can go back to school and become a top 50 draft pick then you can make 2 million dollars year

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therealmiket86 said:
The problem is NIL isn’t guaranteed. A school can promise a lot of things that never materialize.
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Contracts in college have moved to be revenue sharing with the university so they are valid contracts. That is why players are getting sued leaving. There are still deals with collectives for NIL which depends on who you sign with if you get all the money promised
 
#75      
therealmiket86
Navy_illini said:
I agree but if you can get 1 million in a contract you are making more money than ~100th draft pick. Only round 1 and now 2 guaranteed anything. In the NFL if you are cut you might not have a pay check. If you can go back to school and become a top 50 draft pick then you can make 2 million dollars year

www.spotrac.com

2026 NFL Rookie Scale

A look at the 2026 NFL rookie scale.
www.spotrac.com www.spotrac.com


Contracts in college have moved to be revenue sharing with the university so they are valid contracts. That is why players are getting sued leaving. There are still deals with collectives for NIL which depends on who you sign with if you get all the money promised
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Schools are promising nil packages and players will never see all the money. They will tell that what they can make, not what they will. Whitman has even addressed this in Werner’s podcast
 
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