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EyeoftheIllini
No good place to put this question, so I’ll put it here and hope @illini0440 @Indy Illini Fan or someone else might know. How involved is Bret or the typical head coach involved with assistant coaches’ contracts beyond choosing the candidate and where to slot them salary wise? Specifically, I’m wondering if he is at all involved with the decisions whether to have a buyout clause for if an AC leaves for another job before contract is up and how much the buyout is. Seems like that would be a AD or whomever handles contracts responsibility, but I have no idea. Thanks.
 
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illini0440
EyeoftheIllini said:
No good place to put this question, so I’ll put it here and hope @illini0440 @Indy Illini Fan or someone else might know. How involved is Bret or the typical head coach involved with assistant coaches’ contracts beyond choosing the candidate and where to slot them salary wise? Specifically, I’m wondering if he is at all involved with the decisions whether to have a buyout clause for if an AC leaves for another job before contract is up and how much the buyout is. Thanks.
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Assistant contracts are typically 2 year contracts that automatically roll over an extra year unless they are obviously fired. The assistants technically do have buy out clauses...normally a small percentage and are typically only if they get fired and normally have an offset clause in there for when they take another job so it rarely becomes an issue. As for who deals with the clauses its the AD/school and coach/agent.
 
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EyeoftheIllini
illini0440 said:
Assistant contracts are typically 2 year contracts that automatically roll over an extra year unless they are obviously fired. The assistants technically do have buy out clauses...normally a small percentage and are typically only if they get fired and normally have an offset clause in there for when they take another job so it rarely becomes an issue. As for who deals with the clauses its the AD/school and coach/agent.
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Thanks. I figured it was AD/school that handled such things not HC. The reason I ask is the Oregon State has had two ACs been announced as hired and then taken jobs soon after (Memphis and Utah). Of course fans on the message board I visit are all pissed off and wanting to know if Beavers are getting buyout money for these departures. No one knows for sure if contracts were actually signed yet or what buyouts might be, but one poster who doesn’t seem to like the new HC hire called it malpractice on the HC’s part if there isn’t a buyout in the ACs’ contracts. I highly doubted Shephard would be involved with anything like that.
 
#156      
mhuml32
illini0440 said:
Assistant contracts are typically 2 year contracts that automatically roll over an extra year unless they are obviously fired. The assistants technically do have buy out clauses...normally a small percentage and are typically only if they get fired and normally have an offset clause in there for when they take another job so it rarely becomes an issue. As for who deals with the clauses its the AD/school and coach/agent.
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If I can add to the question, and this might be what the original poster was asking: P4 head coaches usually negotiate for a certain amount of money for the assistant coach pool - does that mean Bielema creates the first datapoint on how much each of these assistants should be paid?
 
#157      
Kendall Gill’s Uncle
Battle89 said:
I think the main answer is the $$$ they are getting, as several posters already stated.

But I'd love to peek behind the curtain and reconcile the work / life comments they mentioned in-game with the comments about Cig winning due to his extreme attention to detail (which I've also heard many times). How do they do so much 'number crunching' and still get home to tuck in the kiddies?

Maybe some new kind of Peter Brand cooking in Bloomington?
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They’ve both been coordinators with him at all of his stops since Indiana University of Pennsylvania, so I’m not sure it’s just about the money.

Cigs has said he doesn’t want his staff or players in the building at night (I don’t know the exact time). He, staff and players have said in interviews that he doesn’t like to waste people’s time and believes in being rested. Their practices are typically 1 hour 35 minutes or 1 hour 45 minutes and sometimes 30 minutes long.
 
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illini0440
mhuml32 said:
If I can add to the question, and this might be what the original poster was asking: P4 head coaches usually negotiate for a certain amount of money for the assistant coach pool - does that mean Bielema creates the first datapoint on how much each of these assistants should be paid?
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I mean he had a say before he was hired as to what he would like his assistant salary pool to be and it was up to Josh whether or not to agree or counter. We have a pretty good database as to what high level programs salary pools are so it’s not just throwing numbers out there. Then the assistant titles come with not a slotted salary but you know how it is, kind of like upper level management in business. HC, OC/DC, then the line coaches, then LBs/WRs, DBs/RBs.
 
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AirNeazy
Been seeing some smoke on the interwebs (as a Steelers fan) that if the Steelers bring in Chris Shula to replace Tomlin....theres a very large chance he brings in Scheelhaase as the Steeler OC as well. I'd love that honesly.
 
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HereSoIDontGetFined
AirNeazy said:
Been seeing some smoke on the interwebs (as a Steelers fan) that if the Steelers bring in Chris Shula to replace Tomlin....theres a very large chance he brings in Scheelhaase as the Steeler OC as well. I'd love that honesly.
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Whoa, not too often we see Illinois alums that high up in the NFL coaching ranks. Hope it happens.
 
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AirTran
AirNeazy said:
Been seeing some smoke on the interwebs (as a Steelers fan) that if the Steelers bring in Chris Shula to replace Tomlin....theres a very large chance he brings in Scheelhaase as the Steeler OC as well. I'd love that honesly.
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Would be interesting to see how these contracts are structured (assistant coaches) OCs and DCs get fired in both the NFL and NCAA after a bad game. Just wondering how much is guaranteed and how the term structure works for taking another job. I have to believe these contracts have changed considerably in the past 3-5 years.
 
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AirNeazy
HereSoIDontGetFined said:
Whoa, not too often we see Illinois alums that high up in the NFL coaching ranks. Hope it happens.
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Schefter reporting today that Scheelhaase is actually interveiwing for the Steelers HC job, not just OC. Wow...looks like him and Shula were the first interviews requested by Pittsburgh. When you think that they hired a one year 34 year old DC in Tomlin, them hiring Nate as the HC isn't too far fetched. Rooney's seem like to like young up and comers who will stay as coach for a while.

Edit: Looks like the Browns, Vegas, and Ravens have also requested interviews with Nate this hiring cycle, don't know if those were specifically for the HC job though vs. OC.
 
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ChiefGritty
AirNeazy said:
Schefter reporting today that Scheelhaase is actually interveiwing for the Steelers HC job, not just OC. Wow...looks like him and Shula were the first interviews requested by Pittsburgh. When you think that they hired a one year 34 year old DC in Tomlin, them hiring Nate as the HC isn't too far fetched. Rooney's seem like to like young up and comers who will stay as coach for a while.

Edit: Looks like the Browns, Vegas, and Ravens have also requested interviews with Nate this hiring cycle, don't know if those were specifically for the HC job though vs. OC.
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Neither the "Rooney Rule is evil" nor the "Rooney Rule doesn't go far enough" side of the political flamewar around this stuff likes to admit that despite the fact Nate isn't going to get any of these jobs and is being used as a pretext to satisfy the rule, he ALSO gains a material benefit to his career by being seen in the industry as getting these opportunities and also through gaining the personal experience and networking with these power brokers.

(Also, please distract him all this week. Thx.)
 
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Illwinsagain
AirNeazy said:
Schefter reporting today that Scheelhaase is actually interveiwing for the Steelers HC job, not just OC. Wow...looks like him and Shula were the first interviews requested by Pittsburgh. When you think that they hired a one year 34 year old DC in Tomlin, them hiring Nate as the HC isn't too far fetched. Rooney's seem like to like young up and comers who will stay as coach for a while.

Edit: Looks like the Browns, Vegas, and Ravens have also requested interviews with Nate this hiring cycle, don't know if those were specifically for the HC job though vs. OC.
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Hopefully, Nate has plenty of time for interviewing next week.
 
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Fly Illini Fly!
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#169      
ChiefGritty
TheDrinkinLincoln said:
Think Steelers might be leaning Shula. But giving Nate a cup of coffee pre-interview for OC in case he doesn't blow them out of the water.
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In terms of the chances of getting an NFL head coaching job next offseason, becoming the play-calling OC for a defensive head coach in a situation where the expectations for offensive production will be rock-bottom, that's a pretty great opportunity. Have a surprisingly productive offense for one season and boom, you're a HC.

It's a big risk-reward though, because those expectations are rock-bottom for a reason, and if your first play-calling opportunity is a disaster, it's hard to get another one, at least at the NFL level.

The move to the Rams was a risk too though, and it came good in no small part because Nate just is and has always been an A+ Football Person.
 
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AirNeazy
ChiefGritty said:
Neither the "Rooney Rule is evil" nor the "Rooney Rule doesn't go far enough" side of the political flamewar around this stuff likes to admit that despite the fact Nate isn't going to get any of these jobs and is being used as a pretext to satisfy the rule, he ALSO gains a material benefit to his career by being seen in the industry as getting these opportunities and also through gaining the personal experience and networking with these power brokers.

(Also, please distract him all this week. Thx.)
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Brian Flores is also going to get an interview for all of these jobs as well. I dunno if its fair to say yet that Nate getting these interviews is simply a pretext for satisfying the Rooney rule. And like I said, we (as a Steelers fan) hired Tomlin as a 34 yo, one year DC.....I could easily see Art Rooney envisioning Nate being the next coach for 15+ years if he blows them away in the interview like how Coach T did back in the day
 
#171      
ChiefGritty
AirNeazy said:
Brian Flores is also going to get an interview for all of these jobs as well. I dunno if its fair to say yet that Nate getting these interviews is simply a pretext for satisfying the Rooney rule. And like I said, we (as a Steelers fan) hired Tomlin as a 34 yo, one year DC.....I could easily see Art Rooney envisioning Nate being the next coach for 15+ years if he blows them away in the interview like how Coach T did back in the day
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Tomlin was a playcaller of course, but you're right that the Steelers have taken a different perspective on these things in the past.

The case I'm reminded of is the rumored truth that we very nearly hired then-34 year old Cincinnati DC Marcus Freeman over Bielema, based again on rocking the interview and just being a young coach who "has it".

At the end of the day though, that both shows Whitman's intelligence and foresight to see what Freeman had relative to his much higher profile boss at the time in Luke Fickell, but also his brass tacks practicality in making the decision to go with Bielema.
 
#172      
Mr. Tibbs
I had not heard about us interviewing Freeman in 2020. But I have a hard time seeing him doing as well here as Bret has done. We needed a guy to not only right the ship , but turn it around. Two tasks that I dont think Freeman was up to at that time
 
#173      
OrangeBlue98
AirNeazy said:
Schefter reporting today that Scheelhaase is actually interveiwing for the Steelers HC job, not just OC. Wow...looks like him and Shula were the first interviews requested by Pittsburgh. When you think that they hired a one year 34 year old DC in Tomlin, them hiring Nate as the HC isn't too far fetched. Rooney's seem like to like young up and comers who will stay as coach for a while.

Edit: Looks like the Browns, Vegas, and Ravens have also requested interviews with Nate this hiring cycle, don't know if those were specifically for the HC job though vs. OC.
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Would not surprise me in the least if any or all of these teams are “dual interviewing” Nate. If the teams pick a different head coach, then they’ve already interviewed Nate and could provide some influence.

From an objective standpoint, I’d love to see Nate end up as John Harbaugh’s OC wherever he ends up (I wish that would have been Green Bay…….). I genuinely think that would be a fantastic combination.
 
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Navy_illini
Rooftop said:
Tomlin resigned

Cignetti to Steelers??? I think he’s a PA guy?
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How about Nate to the Steelers. Not a defensive guy but fits the previous blueprint of hiring a young coach

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