Illinois 79, Northwestern 68 Postgame

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5. With that said on the crowd, I still wanted to end on a positive of once again thanking Illini fans for turning out in such great numbers! It would have been even cooler if we all wore orange and created an even more embarrassing visual for Northwestern, but without further ado, I give you ... the Welsh Ryan Arena WHITE OUT! :ROFLMAO:

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Can we all agree that this is not big White Out Energy? :ROFLMAO:

James Franklin would not be happy…….
 
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The only real odd thing in this game compared to the rest of their schedule is that NW shot twice as many FTs as Illinois. That was what contributed most to their defensive efficiency being down, and Illinois is the #1 team in the country in limiting opposing FTs. It's probably just an anomaly, but I can only imagine what the score would have been if that was normalized.
I took a look at this in the box score, and I thought it was also interesting (and probably only I would find it so) that basically just two players for NW shot free throws. Martinelli, 8 for 8, Reid, 6-7, and Ciaravino, 1-2. But maybe that happens more often than I think.
 
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Sub 6’ jitterbug guards that can shoot are the toughest D assignment in CBB after TSJ type NBA skilled and sized.
Reid's stats are 39% fg % and 31% 3 pt. He had an unconscious game for a guy averaging 9 pts. For some reason that happens to the Illini.
 
#255      
I dunno. 68 teams make the tourney each year. It’s not really a banner worthy accomplishment whether on one piece of fabric or many.
I get that point. I’m not a raving fan of doing it, but I’m also not going to make fun of someone if they do it.
 
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I dunno. 68 teams make the tourney each year. It’s not really a banner worthy accomplishment whether on one piece of fabric or many.
Eh, in the eye of the beholder I’d say. Northwestern had never made a tournament before Collins got there. If they want to celebrate their tourney appearances with a banner no issues by me.

For instance, Bret’s record here the past 4 years would have him firmly on the hot seat at Alabama or Ohio State and we are talking about building him a statue! Ha. So different milestones mean different things to different programs.
 
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Eh, in the eye of the beholder I’d say. Northwestern had never made a tournament before Collins got there. If they want to celebrate their tourney appearances with a banner no issues by me.

For instance, Bret’s record here the past 4 years would have him firmly on the hot seat at Alabama or Ohio State and we are talking about building him a statue! Ha. So different milestones mean different things to different programs.
I could agree that it’s a recognizable accomplishment for a program like Northwestern, but it should be embarrassing for Iowa. Having said that, should Nebraska hang a banner when the Huskers get their first ever NCAA Tournament win?
 
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Arms getting tangled for a brief second on a loose ball was never the spirit of the rule.

The spirit of the rule was locking on to Isaac haas, strongly ripping down while he was midair, and breaking his arm. If officials had just done their job and called a flagrant foul then, we’d be freed of this insanity.

Literally just making up rules
Exactly right- we try to make rules so black and white as to not allow for officials to be able to make common sense calls... Nobody in their right mind would see this or the Iowa one and think- wow, that's malicious and Keaton was clearly using excessive force or egregiously hooking him to gain an advantage in a way that could hurt the guy. The Iowa one was almost comical because live the officials literally called the foul on Iowa- for knocking Keaton down. If you have to slow motion a play to see if a guy committed a flagrant foul... you've got a problem. IMO- a flagrant should be so obvious that its, well, flagrant- that you could watch the play at full speed and identify the flagrant act easily.
 
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Reid's stats are 39% fg % and 31% 3 pt. He had an unconscious game for a guy averaging 9 pts. For some reason that happens to the Illini.

There's a weird misconception that players only have outlier games vs Illinois

This kid scored 25 vs Virginia (#14 Kenpom, #16 AP Poll). Also, he averages 12 ppg (not 9 ppg as you said).

Anyway, who else has had great games vs Illinois this year? Sandfort, Thornton, Toppin... (maybe Philon, but that was like an average game for him)

That's a short list of which they are all extremely talented players. Also, part of it was all of the attention being paid to Martinelli, somebody else will score points for them unless we hold them under 50 points or something crazy like that (he did put up 15 shots to get those points).

I think if we had paid less attention to Martinelli that Reid would not have scored so many and we'd just be lamenting why we let Martinelli go for 25+ instead.
 
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There's a weird misconception that players only have outlier games vs Illinois

This kid scored 25 vs Virginia (#14 Kenpom, #16 AP Poll). Also, he averages 12 ppg (not 9 ppg as you said).

Anyway, who else has had great games vs Illinois this year? Sandfort, Thornton, Toppin... (maybe Philon, but that was like an average game for him)

That's a short list of which they are all extremely talented players. Also, part of it was all of the attention being paid to Martinelli, somebody else will score points for them unless we hold them under 50 points or something crazy like that (he did put up 15 shots to get those points).

I think if we had paid less attention to Martinelli that Reid would not have scored so many and we'd just be lamenting why we let Martinelli go for 25+ instead.
Also he’s kind of a tough matchup for us. I know he’s small but he’s ultra quick. Bam is amazing but we had him on Martinelli most of the night and we don’t really have anyone to stay in front of a guard like that. Downside of having such great positional size.
 
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I’d take Wagler over KJ any day of the week. His. Composure and lack of turnovers are what does it for me. He’s not near as flashy but he doesn’t ever hurt you at all. I guarantee his + - is way above KJ’s

I probably would too. But im pretty pro KJ all things considered. Leading a good, if not great, B1G team as a freshman to a 6-seed (i know, i know we hope for more) in today's game of 24-25 year olds in college is something i'll always celebrate.

Even look at an awesome player like at Steinbach at UW - winning is hard.
 
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Think Andrej deserves a shout out here too. On a night when he didn't play as many minutes and wasn't as involved in the offense still pulls down 6 rebounds (2nd on team) and guarded his butt off. He doesn't do that earlier in the year or in his career.

Really does feel like Brad has these guys bought in on the different guy every night (besides Keaton!).
 
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There’s an argument to be made that KJ really had nothing to gain and alot to lose by coming back in terms of draft position given how loaded the current class is.

But with Wagler, you could make the argument to him that he may go from #10-#15 to a top 3 pick if he returns because 2027 isn’t near as loaded as 2026.

I can’t believe Kansas let this guy get out of their backyard. I can see how he doesn’t wow you on athleticism but skill, size, craftiness, and having the ability to do a bunch of different things. He’s got the 3. He can drive it. He can draw fouls. He’s got the length where nobody has really bothered him at all this year trying to guard him.

I should have known he was gonna be this good after what Boswell said in preseason about him being a pro. Coaches lie all the times. Players don’t. Players know talent and who can play.
I've really been pleasantly surprised by how comfortable he looks out there every night. For him to only have two high major offers (other being Minnesota) is really surprising. You'd think an under the radar guy like him would take time to get acclimated to playing at this level, however he's looked like one of the best Freshman in the country. Even with this loaded Freshman class. I'm hoping he stays for another year but at the same time I wouldn't blame him for chasing that dream of playing in the NBA. Happy he's in the orange and blue!
 
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I goofed but he was averaging a little over 10 points before last night when he got 28. I call that an outlier game. There have been may posts on this site about who would have such a game against the Illini.
 
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Can anyone share a video of that minute with the multiple technicals? The replay I saw was mysteriously missing just that 1 minute.
Was there more than 1? Here is a technical on the bench at 8:18 in the second half. Wagler drove in the lane, got blocked, and fell to the floor. NW got the rebound. Started a fast break and OA and BU started yelling at the bald headed ref. He called a bench technical. It looked like the coaches were signaling for a goaltending on NW. Hard to say. A lot of hand waving was going on. lol

 
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Think Andrej deserves a shout out here too. On a night when he didn't play as many minutes and wasn't as involved in the offense still pulls down 6 rebounds (2nd on team) and guarded his butt off. He doesn't do that earlier in the year or in his career.
Kind of surprised they didn't try him on Reid in that second half when Keaton was struggling. Eventually they did switch to Boswell.
 
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Think Andrej deserves a shout out here too. On a night when he didn't play as many minutes and wasn't as involved in the offense still pulls down 6 rebounds (2nd on team) and guarded his butt off. He doesn't do that earlier in the year or in his career.

Really does feel like Brad has these guys bought in on the different guy every night (besides Keaton!).
Yeah, all the talk about "balance" and "a different guy every night" .... Keaton's been our best player in nine consecutive games.

It's really 2 thru 6 (Boz, Tomi, Z, Stoj, Mirk) where you truly get to see that unpredictability, balance, distribution of talent.
 
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I find it really interesting how much less specific and analytical my thoughts are about a game when I attend in person, haha. Part of it certainly could be the beers, but I also think getting caught up in the gameday atmosphere when you're there in person causes you to nitpick less than you would while watching on TV, and thus I view the game as more of an event to be thought about at a higher level. With that said, here are some random things I thought about after that game.

1. Related to my point about less specific analysis, I was pretty unaware of who had X points or Y rebounds or anything like that. Instead, I came away from that game SO thankful that we have Boswell. His intangibles and energy are so valuable and probably don't get enough praise here.

2. It's kind of hilarious to see how different fan bases are, lol. Obviously, any Power Conference fan base involves tens of thousands (and even millions) of people, all with different backgrounds, temperaments, perspectives, etc. However, you can still draw general conclusions about stereotypes, and they are pretty funny. My wife and I laughed so hard that every time we were in the concourse, we'd see like five Northwestern fans who all looked so proper and soft spoken or whatever, and every Illini fan had a beer in hand and was visiting with his/her friends in a much more festive manner.

3. That arena really is a great place to watch a game. Don't get me wrong, it drives me nuts that I have to pay that much for a ticket because of their tiny capacity, added on to beers that are too expensive and two pricey Ubers there and back. However, there is not a bad seat in the house. We sat in 216, and IIRC we sat in 217 last year ... those are SUPER good seats, and they were actually a lot less expensive than some of the options in the upper decks on either side.

4. Lastly, props to Illini fans! I have posted before that we have attended a few Illini games there, and my rough estimates of the Illini/NU crowd split were about 45/55 in 2019, an incredible 70/30 in 2020, 55/45 in 2022 and close to 50/50 last year. I think we got close to that 70/30 split last night. When you would scan the crowd, you would subconsciously think, "Wow, that is a lot of orange ... maybe over 50% of the crowd!" However, if you just trained your eye on a given row, you would notice that MAYBE 50% of Illini fans were wearing orange, with a ton wearing navy, white or gray. In fact, we picked a random row as a super small sample size, and I think there were like 3 Northwestern fans and 13 Illini fans, with like 6 of the Illini fans wearing orange. Once you took that into account ... yikes, there were WAY more Illini fans there than Northwestern fans. My only complaint is I was actually a little surprised our fan contingent wasn't more rowdy ... watching the YouTube highlights this morning, we also never sounded that loud on TV. We still cheered and supported the boys, but it felt quite subdued compared to the folks who were at the United Center. Once again, I remain fascinated how different of vibes you can get from an Illini crowd contingent from venue to venue, haha.

5. With that said on the crowd, I still wanted to end on a positive of once again thanking Illini fans for turning out in such great numbers! It would have been even cooler if we all wore orange and created an even more embarrassing visual for Northwestern, but without further ado, I give you ... the Welsh Ryan Arena WHITE OUT! :ROFLMAO:

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Looks like more 'white out' on our coaching staff than on that whole side of the arena! :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
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I think they should continue to call it, but there should be a level of severity that is not a flagrant one, and then a level that escalates to one and beyond. Both of the fouls called in this game would be the non-flagrant level for me.
The call in Iowa was still fresh in Brad’s mind because he was immediately arguing when Be had one arm grabbed and he snatched the rebound with his free arm.
 
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