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Illini92and96
- Austin, TX
The big does not want to go to 16 playoff teams if the SEC does not commit to later going to 24. And there is talk about removing the $20m cap.
So we’re heading further to a professional sports model. Uneven salaries for the teams, with the bigger market/brands having more money to spend. And then 24 out of 125 teams make the playoffs. Which is more like 24 out of the 67 P4 teams, almost 1 in 3. Although I’m sure they would open it up for more G5 teams than this year to ultimately get beat down.
So we’re heading further to a professional sports model. Uneven salaries for the teams, with the bigger market/brands having more money to spend. And then 24 out of 125 teams make the playoffs. Which is more like 24 out of the 67 P4 teams, almost 1 in 3. Although I’m sure they would open it up for more G5 teams than this year to ultimately get beat down.
And it would lower the compensation for the 2 major conferences and put all of the less than "major bowls" out of business. B1G and SEC positions make all the sense in the world.
Illini92and96
- Austin, TX
Agree it makes sense if it’s all about money. Which it is, and which to me is sad.
College football is moving away from including G5 schools not towards expanding it. The disparity in talent between B10/SEC and G5 is too great to include in same playoffs. In addition, ND, Texas and all the other schools aren’t spending $100M+ per year per school to sit on their couch watching G5 schools get beat by 25 in the playoffs when these schools would beat the G5 schools by 25 too.
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'It is an embarrassment for the sport' — SEC, Big Ten still at odds over future format of College Football Playoff
The SEC and Big Ten 'alliance' seems to be on a path toward divorce. How have the two bedfellows fallen so far apart in such a short time? "Self interest.'
Is it time to uncap the market in college sports? Top industry brass already pushing for major change
Roughly six months into college sports' new revenue-share era, many of the highest-ranking college administrators are supporting abandoning the roster spending limit.
Here’s the gist of the first article.'It is an embarrassment for the sport' — SEC, Big Ten still at odds over future format of College Football Playoff
The SEC and Big Ten 'alliance' seems to be on a path toward divorce. How have the two bedfellows fallen so far apart in such a short time? "Self interest.'sports.yahoo.com
“The instability within college athletics — little to no enforcement of an industry professionalizing before our eyes — is at the heart of indecision and dysfunction within the playoff room. All of this is tethered together. These are competitive conferences, waging what are now high-priced recruiting bidding wars, battling one another on the field and yet trying to work in tandem off of it — a reason that the SEC is at least in the preliminary stages of considering a conference-only governance model.”
And the point of the one linked above is in the title.
'We are money laundering' — With schools bending (or breaking) new rules, SEC and others mull new governance model
Needing an expanded playoff is certainly not the issue. It definitely consistency and enforcing the rules. That should be the focus and the conferences should be prepared to fight any litigation together. The NCAA has proven inept at that part.
It may not be the best for the short term, but anything that adds to the reinforcement that college athletes are students will preserve both basketball and football in the long term.
It may not be the best for the short term, but anything that adds to the reinforcement that college athletes are students will preserve both basketball and football in the long term.
three phrases :
that ship has sailed
the horse is already out of the barn
you can’t put toothpaste back into the tube
apply here
nothing short of employee status and unionization
or
confessional exemption from anti trust
can fix this
RabidDawgClassic
- Los Angeles, CA
The problem with litigation is that the conferences would have the same result as the NCAA. Much of what the leagues have done over the years is unconstitutional. It worked well when the only challenges were addressed by an NCAA committee. But once players started taking the challenges to court, the whole house of cards quickly toppled.
I disagree. Why suddenly something that has occurred for 100+ years suddenly unconstitutional?
Illini92and96
- Austin, TX
To date I don’t think there has been any movement away from G5, and in fact it went towards it when they expanded the playoffs and included one team. Yes? One G5 makes it out of 12 (this year was an anomaly due to the stupid ACC tiebreaker).
It seems logical they would continue to have 1 team in, and maybe expand to 2, if it goes to 24. When you get to 24 teams, it starts to become more feasible that the best G5 team is actually one of the best 24 teams. Also, a G5 team or two adds a march madness Cinderella vibe without denying a debatably great team a spot (at that point you’re talking 9-3 or 8-4 BIG/SEC teams for the last spot).
So G5 might get squeezed out, but that’s not the trend, nor will they be lacking for playoff spots with 2x the amount.
I don’t recall any players trying to sue them before when all payments were under the table & denied by everyone incl the players
Not unconstitutional; violation of antitrust law. Can’t get around the Sherman Antitrust Act absent collective bargaining (or, in the unique case of MLB, Congressional exemption). It is only in recent years that some college athletes had the guts to challenge the NCAA’s restraint of trade rules; the athletes have been winning those cases.
Ultimately, the only legal way for some structure and enforcement to be cemented around eligibility, salary limits, etc, are for (a) players to unionize, be recognized as employees and reach a collectively bargained agreement with schools, or (b) enact new federal law such as the SCORE Act.
Congress has resisted changing the law for professional sports leagues for decades. I see no reason that will change for college level sports. So, sooner or later the colleges are going to cave in, recognize athletes as employees, and collectively bargain with them.
Are student athletes all that different from the student-employee tutors and lab workers who are organizing unions all over the country in recent years? I don’t think so. This is coming. Read more here: https://www.proskauer.com/blog/unde...ts-are-here-to-stayand-20000-members-stronger
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I think it’s all about maximizing TV money when it comes to expanding the playoff.
Does a 1st round playoff game get more eyeballs watching than a traditional bowl game? If it does, then the playoff expands and the bowl game goes away
Would you have rather watched, as a fan, Illinois play in the Music City Bowl or watch an IL at TN first round playoff game? What has more juice or is it the same?
Does a 1st round playoff game get more eyeballs watching than a traditional bowl game? If it does, then the playoff expands and the bowl game goes away
Would you have rather watched, as a fan, Illinois play in the Music City Bowl or watch an IL at TN first round playoff game? What has more juice or is it the same?
To be honest, the Music City Bowl. We had zero.chance of competing for a championship, so instead of.getting waxed by IU or somebody in our last game, we have a positive for the program.
It's just my opinion, but college football is not college basketball, and.there is much less chance.to go on a heater and make a run in a tournament.
agree . the opt outs and subsequent exhibition status that most pure bowl games are relegated to takes the shine off the luster of the bowls that are not included in the CFP.
the playoff will expand at least to 16 . beyond that is anyone’s guess .
NCAA days of having anything to do with FBS are numbered .
major changes coming to the sport over the next 5 years - as much or more so than the last 5
I agree with your points. I think the future trend will be moving away from G5 based what happened this year which cost the networks and B10 and SEC a lot of money. The future agreements (which could be next week) will have more pro P4 and less G5. Having James Madison and Tulane instead of ND and Texas (and almost Miami) was ridiculous and costly.
Illini92and96
- Austin, TX
Yeah, it was stupid. With 24 teams they should retain a slot. Can make it contingent on their ranking (need to be in the top 24)
That's a unique, kinda nice thing about the traditional bowl system IMO. Half the schools end their season on an up note.
Do we still call it ‘football bowl subdivision’ FBS now that there will be big playoff? and ‘football championship subdivision’ FCS? As the two ‘Division 1s’ “d-1”? Or back to I-A and I-AA. Or is the old I-AA now I-AAA?
How about just “The Big Club” and then “The Ones Ain’t In It”.
How about just “The Big Club” and then “The Ones Ain’t In It”.
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ESPN last night was talking about a 16 team playoff and both the SEC and B1G going to 24 team leagues. If that would happen, that would know the ACC and B1G. You could see the BiG adding KU, KSU, ISU, Tech. ND and Louisville while the SEC would try to grab Houston, Miami, Clemson/FSU, Duke, Virginia and NC. This would be crazy.
People don't sue when they are doing something against the rules in the first place.
Illini in Italy
- Illini HQ, Florida Panhandle
The minute the athletes are no longer students in some way I'm out. It's just a sub-par minor league product then. I'll have the NFL with all its' warts and scars to fulfill my football itch at that point.
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