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The acoustics of State Farm are weird, like others have mentioned. Nothing travels up or across at State Farm as opposed to Memorial, where you can easily hear the volume from the west main (however loud or quiet it may or may not be) from the east main, so basically only hear what's behind you. Obviously, the nature of the bowl, the back seats are far apart, so it can be hard to get into the action on your own, and human nature makes it so if the people around you aren't rowdy, you'll follow their suit. It makes it nearly impossible for energy from Krush at the bottom to spread anywhere. Combine that with the fanbase's general refusal to cheer for the sake of cheering, and you get the product that we have.

When it does get loud tho, you would never know. That volume hits the court and gets trapped down there. It can get loud on the floor level, especially in the second half when the baseline Krush start stomping their feet on the bleachers (granted they're on the opposite side of defensive play in the 1st, but I think they should be doing it all game). You would just have absolutely no clue if you were in the 200 level how loud the students are being, and even less of an idea on TV because Fox refuses to mix in the crowd noise as much as ESPN does (which is why the crowd is always 3x louder on the radio broadcast than TV).

The fanbase, for whatever reason you want to give, just doesn't cheer for the sake of cheering. Mild politeness has been the default for a while now, and that doesn't mix with the acoustics of State Farm. If the team doesn't give a reason to be loud, it never will be loud, no matter how hard people may try to get vibes up. At its core, it's the same problem we have in football, but Memorial (despite claims on here) has better acoustics to hide it (hidden in all the SEZ and NEZ complaints is the incredible acoustics of the sideline seats). State Farm puts a spotlight on the issues. And fixing that issue in the fanbase is a lot cheaper than funding the massive Memorial renovations we all want and building a brand new, acoustically perfect basketball arena. I've got no idea how to fix it, but it's the actual solution to most of the crowd noise issues we have in basketball and football.

TLDR: The acoustics don't necessarily make it hard to be loud, just make it travel around the arena weird, which limits how energy spreads. Krush can be the rowdiest they've ever been, and that energy would struggle to spread beyond the lower bowl. It just puts a massive emphasis on the greater problem with our fanbase, and that's the fact that people don't want to just cheer to cheer; they require a reason to cheer first.
 
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no discussion on ticket prices and how the DIA is likely pricing out some of the diehards? lower bowl season tickets (and even middle tier) are insanely expensive
This right here

Just looked at tickets. Home game vs Wisconsin very top row of the hall... 100.00!

Now Northwestern is 61.00 but still way to much for a nosebleed seat against a bottom big ten team

So if a family of 4 wanted to go you're looking at 250 vs Nw and over 400 vs Wisconsin.
 
#79      
Heck yeah, NOW we're posting.

The last two Illini games I attended in person were the bowl game in Nashville and the UC game against Bama and I thought our crowd was fantastic in both cases, so I am definitely against any accusation of there being a problem with our fans generally. And the last time I was at SFC was last season against Ohio State, you may recall a DGL steal and monster dunk from that game and the place exploded like I remember it from my prime-era undergrad days.

But it did seem dead last night. There was definitely a game flow element of it, Washington never went more than a possession or two without a crowd quieting bucket, but I dunno.

If we all get to flog our hobby horse about it, I would like to point out the game starting at 8PM on a weeknight for TV purposes against an opponent we don't care about that we now have to pretend is a conference "rival".
I was at the Bama game and it was Very loud. Awesome environment....definitely not a fan issue in Chicago.
 
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Mr. Blue Hands should give his giant mitts to the lady in the first row across from the Illini bench.
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#82      
Breslin Center students always look like they are much more involved than our students (watching now). More students closer to the floor.
 
#83      
God that MC is annoying. Nothing against him personally and I never want anyone to lose income, but Jesus do we really need it?
Also, standing at the start of the second half until a score isn't a thing, stop trying to make it a thing
He's almost as bad as the fat kid with the cowboy hat.
 
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This seems a little harsh. SFC Assembly Hall has a pretty good reputation nationally and at one time was a consistent feature on lists of college basketball's top home court advantages.

Even today, concrete roof and all, we can be as loud for one night or one play as we ever were.

Here's a 2006 quote from Jay Bilas about Assembly Hall.

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This was directly a result of a hall of fame coach on the sidelines for 3 years who lost ONE home game, and assembled arguably the best roster in program history before he left. Nothing to do with the arena. Correlation does not equal causation.
 
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This was directly a result of a hall of fame coach on the sidelines for 3 years who lost ONE home game, and assembled arguably the best roster in program history before he left. Nothing to do with the arena. Correlation does not equal causation.
I feel like you’re interpreting what he’s saying backward. He’s saying there’s nothing about SFC that PREVENTS it from being a good atmosphere when the fans bring it.

If you’re saying our fans can only bring it at that level when Bill Self is the coach and we’re a top 10 team, then once again … the issue is unambiguously our fans’ temperament!
 
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This was directly a result of a hall of fame coach on the sidelines for 3 years who lost ONE home game, and assembled arguably the best roster in program history before he left. Nothing to do with the arena. Correlation does not equal causation.
What was a direct result? Are you talking about their home record?

I'm talking about the homecourt atmosphere. Are you saying the acoustics of the building are better with Bill Self on the sidelines?
 
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Interesting hypothetical. Take EVERYTHING about MSU’s environment tonight vs. Michigan - MSU’s history of success, their current ranking, the rivalry, the Izzone, etc. - but change one variable … the arena itself.

In other words, take the history out of it and just look at the arenas themselves. If you put tonight’s Michigan/MSU game in every arena, what Big Ten arena would have the best home court atmosphere then?

I might still go with Mackey or Breslin, but my wild card pick might be the Barn at Minnesota.
 
#88      
Interesting hypothetical. Take EVERYTHING about MSU’s environment tonight vs. Michigan - MSU’s history of success, their current ranking, the rivalry, the Izzone, etc. - but change one variable … the arena itself.

In other words, take the history out of it and just look at the arenas themselves. If you put tonight’s Michigan/MSU game in every arena, what Big Ten arena would have the best home court atmosphere then?

I might still go with Mackey or Breslin, but my wild card pick might be the Barn at Minnesota.
The RAC would be insane. Honestly Welsh Ryan would be an underrated answer here.
 
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Interesting hypothetical. Take EVERYTHING about MSU’s environment tonight vs. Michigan - MSU’s history of success, their current ranking, the rivalry, the Izzone, etc. - but change one variable … the arena itself.

In other words, take the history out of it and just look at the arenas themselves. If you put tonight’s Michigan/MSU game in every arena, what Big Ten arena would have the best home court atmosphere then?

I might still go with Mackey or Breslin, but my wild card pick might be the Barn at Minnesota.
Assembly Hall?

I remember '01-02 and I don't doubt them after their football showing.

Edit: Blasphemy... I know.
 
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I feel like you’re interpreting what he’s saying backward. He’s saying there’s nothing about SFC that PREVENTS it from being a good atmosphere when the fans bring it.

If you’re saying our fans can only bring it at that level when Bill Self is the coach and we’re a top 10 team, then once again … the issue is unambiguously our fans’ temperament!

No, I'm saying the team played at a high enough level to dominate without an exemplary home court advantage.


Maybe we should do a study. Two parties, 50 people each, one inside the SFC and the other at a typical garage or house party. Measure the decibels at each.
 
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What was a direct result? Are you talking about their home record?

I'm talking about the homecourt atmosphere. Are you saying the acoustics of the building are better with Bill Self on the sidelines?

Obviously, I'm saying the team was sufficiently good enough to win at home without an overly loud home court advantage.

Bill Self himself mentioned this enough times during media appearances that I recall emailing Loren Tate to suggest he write columns in the News-Gazette advocating for a new arena. Of course the short sighted solution was selected, and capacity of SFC was reduced, only adding to the problem.
 
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I say this tongue in cheek but it's almost like at our home games we need to have a remedial training where the final test is having the people scream "OHHHHHHHHHHH" for a sustained 10 seconds before they're let in the stadium. At this point it's either that or start running electric current through the seats. Actually, that could just work...
Not to just cut out the rest of your post, because I strongly with it, but this part stuck with me for two reasons.

The first goes back to a comment that I saw from an Oregon fan that said something along the lines of, "People don't understand the reason Autzen is so loud is because we all just scream like maniacs for 60 minutes."

The second is my own experience this past year, and the year prior for that matter, at our home game against Maryland (football). Part way through the 3rd I'm standing up screaming "OHHHHHHHHH" and the woman in front of me, who wasn't making any noise, covered her ears.

My point is that it doesn't seem to matter if it's football or basketball, our fans don't understand how to engage with the event when playing at home.

I also can't help but wonder if my screaming ruined the game for her in any way. Kinda don't care either way. But the fact that my screaming impacted her is like a micro version of what our collective group could/should be doing to the other team.
 
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One thing I never understood was the music selection at times. I went to a game a few years ago and during half they were playing "im bringing sexy back" and I sat there thinking "how does this get people pumped for the upcoming 2nd half?"

During the overtime home game agaPurdue though they played Metallica and THAT got people pumped. That is going to get people amped up and ready to go!!!
 
#94      
Is there a rule against handing out little megaphones? My high school football stadium used to sell popcorn in a little plastic megaphone that you could pop the bottom off of and use to cheer once it was done. Our high school cheering section all had traffic cones. Imagine there must be a rule against or we would already be doing something like that at least for the Krush
 
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One thing I never understood was the music selection at times. I went to a game a few years ago and during half they were playing "im bringing sexy back" and I sat there thinking "how does this get people pumped for the upcoming 2nd half?"

This part of your statement reminded me of this Seinfeld line. Anyways I agree with you on both of your observations.
 
#97      
I will be very disappointed if the SFC roof isn’t rattling with thunderous noise when Michigan comes calling…I L L…
A Friday night game. No excuses to not have that place rocking
 
#98      
Super easy fix, just show the decimal meter graph on the Jumbotron followed with a get louder graphic . Works 60% of the time, every time. /s
 
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First, I’d like to say that both SFC and this fan base can get loud and have done it this season and recently. (Not to mention in decades past…even when we were bad)

Having said that, the answer to fixing this issue when it shows up (which feels more common nowadays) is actually quite simple, imo, and has been alluded to throughout the thread.

1. The cultural norm has to change tactically (each row and section) and strategically (the entire crowd of each game and overall fan base).

2. To change that culture, we have to embrace the principle of the first follower (and sometimes just as important, the second follower).

Leaders lead, it’s what they do. Sticking their neck out and risk looking foolish to try and get something going doesn’t bother them.

In our situation, leaders are the ones cheering loudly with no regard to circumstance.

The first (and second) follower is the person who steps up to join the leader. They are the ones that get the momentum going and show the more tepid/cynical people around them that this is something worth doing and is the cultural norm. They don’t start the avalanche but they provide momentum.

For us, they are the ones who get up after the leader and cheer with them while urging others around them to do the same.

It’d be nice if we had a guaranteed 3 people in each row/section being the leader/first and second follower at each home game. But it’s not guaranteed.

What we do have are students. The solution? Move students all the way (or nearly all the way) around the court AND also give them a section opposite Krush that extends to the mid level.

Students can be the leaders and first followers. If they cheer loudly (they better be screaming), the sections around them will also cheer loudly, and it’ll spread to all of SFC.

It eventually becomes the cultural norm to make noise no matter where you are in SFC. And all the people who don’t want to stand out when it’s quiet can yell without being seen as going against that perceived “quiet” norm.

It all boils down to human nature and so much could be said on the topic but this post is already too long so I’ll cut it off here.
 
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