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ChiefGritty
gary? said:
really? i don't follow other teams that closely, especially not utah, but from what little i've read it sounds like he runs a b1g style of team out west. i could be completely off as this was gleaned mostly from the knuckleheads at r/cfb
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The style of play isn't the fit issue, it's that this is a 66 year old who has been a my way or the highway character in a place he's extremely comfortable and integrated into the culture and has been in the same place for 32 years.

He's going to show up and ruffle feathers and want to change things at one of (if not *the*) most hidebound "we're different and special" programs in the entire country, while the program is looking at him as a transitional figure that's just going to be a humble plumber there to fix where it leaks.

That plane is flying into severe turbulence the second there is any trouble because Whittingham doesn't know this league, this background of player, this kind of fan/donor community, this level of media attention, and he ultimately doesn't have the belief or backing of anyone in the Michigan community who all think he's there to have 2-3 years of glory then retire. Both parties to this marriage are being extremely naive in entering in to it.

Bryce Underwood has a lot of talent and bringing him along to the next level could paper over a lot of cracks. But if that doesn't happen look out below, this could be over fast.
 
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fuddrules
pvaughn8 said:
Interesting
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To say the least. Not the hire but the pre-notification response, impressive.

Think for yourself, people.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, Loyalty dudes, but I think BB's relationship with AHen goes much deeper than just a Coach/Coordinator level. AHen played for BB at Wisky and they developed a close relationship there, from what I understand. My bet is that BB is going to do everything that is humanly...
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Illini-Rule
GatorMcKlusky said:
IU. USC. Wisconsin. All games with botched punts. And what did our TEs do other than drop passes and get called for holding? Glad Ohio State doesn't watch our game tape.
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I'm not a fan or non fan of that coach. But I don't know rhat you can blame the botched punts on the coach. Maybe one of them, but I think the main issue with our punting was the long snapper and punter.
 
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Illini-Rule
Is that Discher that does all that? I guess I assumed that we used players who didn't start on defense or offense for special teams, except for the kicking and long snapping. I also didn't think about Discher coaching the long snapper. I assumed that the offense line coach would coach the long snapper. That's my ignorance, I've never been around a college program and get my information from a sports message board.
 
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BatteredWifeSchwartz
Indy Illini Fan said:
I wasn’t totally pleased with either … Olano was great but how much of that was coaching … Special Teams hurt us many times last year …

But yes - more so disappointed in TE play and recruiting …
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You could argue there was good development with Tip and Tanner, but when you look at our position coaches at large (🦈) who are able to bring in or develop stud after stud a couple dudes panning out is not gonna cut it.
 
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BatteredWifeSchwartz
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BashCtIllini
BatteredWifeSchwartz said:
You could argue there was good development with Tip and Tanner, but when you look at our position coaches at large (🦈) who are able to bring in or develop stud after stud a couple dudes panning out is not gonna cut it.
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when you have 2 top TEs in your backyard and miss on both, especially when word was neither meshed well with the coach, that's enough for me to say we need a new coach.

Every loss becomes an opportunity to get better.
 
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bluemountain
ChiefGritty said:
As long as we're on the subject of hires of terrific coaches who deserve their positive reputations but that reputation is causing coaching carousel analysts to ignore the reality that they make absolutely no sense for their current job and are a terrible fit with high probability of disaster: Kyle Whittingham.
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What makes him a terrible fit?
 
#121      
TampaToo
Any names out there on the short list to replace Discher?
 
#122      
mhuml32
The growing collateral damage from NIL is going to make it increasingly difficult to convince NFL coaches to come to the college game.
 
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ChiefGritty
bluemountain said:
What makes him a terrible fit?
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ChiefGritty said:
The style of play isn't the fit issue, it's that this is a 66 year old who has been a my way or the highway character in a place he's extremely comfortable and integrated into the culture and has been in the same place for 32 years.

He's going to show up and ruffle feathers and want to change things at one of (if not *the*) most hidebound "we're different and special" programs in the entire country, while the program is looking at him as a transitional figure that's just going to be a humble plumber there to fix where it leaks.

That plane is flying into severe turbulence the second there is any trouble because Whittingham doesn't know this league, this background of player, this kind of fan/donor community, this level of media attention, and he ultimately doesn't have the belief or backing of anyone in the Michigan community who all think he's there to have 2-3 years of glory then retire. Both parties to this marriage are being extremely naive in entering in to it.

Bryce Underwood has a lot of talent and bringing him along to the next level could paper over a lot of cracks. But if that doesn't happen look out below, this could be over fast.
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The other thing to remember is that this isn't Utah's golden child tempted east by the magical Michigan opportunity, Utah nudged him into retirement in order to have his head-coach-in-waiting take over leadership of the program. It's a pure marriage of convenience.

It really has surprised me how positively the move has been received among the CFP chattering class, the second I saw the "Whittingham to Michigan" headline I had an immediate gut "oh no what a disaster" reaction that I expected to be shared more broadly.
 
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Mr. Tibbs
had Sherrone been fired at seasons end , Whittinghams name never gets mentioned
UM had to hire a name , and given the timing & circumstances, he was a good hire.

not to equate the guys , but it’s Just like Cubit was a good hire for us on 8/15/1x, given those circumstances
 
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