Wisconsin 92, Illinois 90 OT Postgame

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#678      
Illiniforlife
Indy Illini Fan said:
What slows Fears down is setting the f’ing tone with him …

Foul the 💩 out of him … I’m just waiting on a player/coach to figure that out …

Teams had him figured out when he was at LaLu … Get in his head … Set the tone … Feliz, Trent, DMFW would’ve had him miserable …
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We have been very soft this year. I feel like Brad's teams have gotten softer over the years. We keep getting punked every game. Would be nice if we set the tone physically for once. I know we don't want to foul, but sometimes you have to be a bit physical and get some fouls to set the tone. Sick of getting punked every game, wish Brad was too.
 
#679      
CoalCity
Indy Illini Fan said:
What slows Fears down is setting the f’ing tone with him …

Foul the 💩 out of him … I’m just waiting on a player/coach to figure that out …

Teams had him figured out when he was at LaLu … Get in his head … Set the tone …

Feliz, Trent, DMFW would’ve had him miserable …
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I know right? You're gonna get a foul called on you if you look at him sideways, get your money's worth and knock him into the blue hair seats a couple times. Get HIM rattled for a change
 
#680      
Rebounding Dog
Brad Underwood always said scholarships are like gold. So if we're down 2 guys and aren't willing to tap into the bench, thats an indictment on him. In reality, I just think hes stubborn. Maybe the Carey Booth situation last year scared him about trusting the bench too much, and now hes OVERcompensating. Its a good thing we have guys coming back soon, because its not sustainable.

Id like to see more tick from Mihailo in situations like this. Its his first year and he needs to adjust. He's shown the ability to create for others. No reason you can't throw him in there for a few minutes heading into a media timeout.
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I assume Mihailo is not here next year (returns to the ABA) and Brad is not investing in him with minutes. We had a very large lead against Maryland and he came in near the end for 4 closeout minutes. I am just guessing it has been determined he does not fit. Just a guess!
 
#681      
NarrowJ
Not to drone on about it, but I just thought the officiating was even worse last night than it was against Michigan St.

Started with a touch foul on Wagler in the 1H.

Guy that hits Mirk in the face: how does that not get called?

The ignorant jump ball call on a block took a pretty much guaranteed 2 points away from us.

Keaton just gets blatantly pushed out of bounds by #31 on a live rebound... play on and its a 5 on 4 at the other end because he's laying on the floor.

3 goaltends, unsure how many were clear but they messed up at least one of those too.

The missed 10 second call was terrible, everybody in the arena saw it and was screaming about it... Wisconsin bench was yelling and motioning to hurry... absolutely zero way 3 officials did not see this, they obviously CHOSE NOT TO call it.

The hook call on Tomi, I thought was a weak call even though probably correct. Those discards don't usually get called unless the offensive player gains a clear advantage by doing it.

This is all not to mention I think Keaton may need to start embellishing or selling some of the contact more on drives. Not saying flop, but he drew 9 fouls last night and it should have been like 12 (probably more).
 
#682      
EmeraldCityIllini
Indy Illini Fan said:
Wasn’t a bigger Moe Odum fan than me this offseason … True Point Guard …

We could’ve had Odum if we wanted him … Half of what Petro cost us … OA connection …

Averaging 17,3,6 and shooting 38% from 3 … Pretty decent …
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If it’s 1 for 1 comp, I certainly agree.

I’m probably just blinded. With Keaton becoming what he is, and then ofcourse Kylan, I can’t imagine these dudes averaging 18 and 20 ppg being happy getting scraps here.

But I need to realize that wasn’t the sell in the offseason because no one knew this about Keaton
 
#683      
Indy Illini Fan
NarrowJ said:
Not to drone on about it, but I just thought the officiating was even worse last night than it was against Michigan St.

Started with a touch foul on Wagler in the 1H.

Guy that hits Mirk in the face: how does that not get called?

The ignorant jump ball call on a block took a pretty much guaranteed 2 points away from us.

Keaton just gets blatantly pushed out of bounds by #31 on a live rebound... play on and its a 5 on 4 at the other end because he's laying on the floor.

3 goaltends, unsure how many were clear but they messed up at least one of those too.

The missed 10 second call was terrible, everybody in the arena saw it and was screaming about it... Wisconsin bench was yelling and motioning to hurry... absolutely zero way 3 officials did not see this, they obviously CHOSE NOT TO call it.

This is all not to mention I think Keaton may need to start embellishing or selling some of the contact more on drives. Not saying flop, but he drew 9 fouls last night and it should have been like 12 (probably more).
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No doubt it was worse last night …

The Fears BS is its own thing … Last night was worse …

Last night was the 3 BOZOs … Hottest I’ve ever seen Brad about officiating in a long time … He’s still hot about it as we speak …
 
#684      
FrankNitty30
Pathetic defensive and rebounding effort. Another inexcusable home loss. Total fail: B10 conference "administration", officials, coaches, player effort (with the exception of KW).

Starting to worry this is going to be another wasted season.
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Stupid post
 
#686      
Curbelo Fanboy
ejam21 said:
As frustrating as these are, they arent unique to underwood/Illinois...lets look at some of the better programs since 2020 and their home losses where they were favored more than 5-6 pts

MSU/Izzo
Loss to 54 Net Indiana as 12 pt fav
Back to back home losses to Iowa and OSU (62 and 49 NET) in '24
Home losses to Northwestern in back to years, on of which NW was barely top 100

Wisconsin/Gard
This year vs USC 9 pt fav
'25 vs PSU (NEt 66) double digit favorite
"24 home vs 90th Net Wake forest,
'22 home vs 77th rutgers and the infamous loss to 141th Nebraska with the outright title on the line

Michigan:
This same Wisky team beat them, but they were full strentgh 19 pt favorites
'24 Loss to Long beach state at home, loss to 98 indiana at home, 89 minnesota, 83 rutgers
'23 loss to 300+ NEt central michigan,
'22 loss to seton hall as 9 pt favorites (37 NET), loss to 103 minny as double digit favorite,
'21 pummeled by us as 9 pt favorites first game with no ayo (ok this shouldnt count but i bet if we got utterly destroyed by a team without their best player at home, this board would lose it)

Purdue
'25 lost to 41 OSU as 10 pt favs
'23 Rutgers adn indiana 8/6 pt favs,
'22 Wisconsin as 13 pt favs (think wisky was missing key players)

I would hardly say only underwood has home duds

There is evidence that you could be right about your take on the title, but he's adapted a LOT over the course of these 9 years, lets hope he can keep evolving.
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Good research on your part. Admittedly my frustration is more laser focused on just the Illinois program. And some of it is pining for the days where we never lost at the Hall in the early 2000's.
 
#689      
RockfordIllini
NarrowJ said:
Not to drone on about it, but I just thought the officiating was even worse last night than it was against Michigan St.

Started with a touch foul on Wagler in the 1H.

Guy that hits Mirk in the face: how does that not get called?

The ignorant jump ball call on a block took a pretty much guaranteed 2 points away from us.

Keaton just gets blatantly pushed out of bounds by #31 on a live rebound... play on and its a 5 on 4 at the other end because he's laying on the floor.

3 goaltends, unsure how many were clear but they messed up at least one of those too.

The missed 10 second call was terrible, everybody in the arena saw it and was screaming about it... Wisconsin bench was yelling and motioning to hurry... absolutely zero way 3 officials did not see this, they obviously CHOSE NOT TO call it.

The hook call on Tomi, I thought was a weak call even though probably correct. Those discards don't usually get called unless the offensive player gains a clear advantage by doing it.

This is all not to mention I think Keaton may need to start embellishing or selling some of the contact more on drives. Not saying flop, but he drew 9 fouls last night and it should have been like 12 (probably more).
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What’s so frustrating is why are we on the short end of it in both games? I don’t like it but I understand it going into Izzo’s den, but why do we get jobbed at home too?
 
#690      
AirTran
This is a direct result in BU's style of offense which is a no offensive sets offense, just exploit match ups. Well what happens in off nights? Or when they have a competent XsOs coach? Or injuries? Have you noticed he has run off every legitimate PG not named Trent Fraizer? Is it because he favors the downhill slasher like Ayo & TSJ instead of guys like Adam Miller? Wagler can't pass. He has no mid range stop and pop. Does not draw defenders and dish. Good or bad he puts his head down and either tosses up and magnificent shot or something ugly in eiither an iso or screen. Thats not very team oriented. Brad needs a deep bench of 1 or 2 trick ponies to be able to make his style of basketball work. Good results when healthy and everyone clicking, bad results on off nights, against good fast well rounded PGs, and top notch XsOs coaches. He gets outcouch constantly because he plays pick up basketball AAU offense. Just that simple.

As for guys who aren't getting playing time because they suck... I give you
Brandin Podziemski. Plenty of BU bench guys have gone on to be productive. So was it the player or Brad? His job is to make them serviceable esp in this NIL era....
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Who cares ? Correct me if I am wrong but we were B1G co-champs the year Brandon was here. How is his defense? Do I miss Jayden Epps? No. Do I miss Skyy Clark? No. Do I miss Sencire Harris? No, Did I miss RJ Melendez? No. We have won 73% of our games over the past 7 years and when healthy this is best team we have had in 20 years. Please don't start questioning the coaching or the program because we were short handed in 2 OT losses.

One thing everyone here appears to forget. The 1989 team didn't win the B1G and beat Michigan twice in the regular season. This team has all the right ingrediants to contend for a national championship. But they need to be healthy.
 
#691      
FrankNitty30
And just as a reminder, we had the privilege of playing the top scoring backcourt in the league without our 2 primary backcourt defenders on a short turn, an incredibly unlucky draw. Not saying we haven’t had our share of letdown losses during Underwood’s tenure or he is without blame for last night, but it’s not like the Penn State loss a few years back where we came out completely flat after being out partying at Kam’s the night before.
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#693      
Se Il Illini
Keisersose said:
This is where I was at. But we have seen some adjustments this year (playing zone on defense, and a different end game approach on offense when we had the lead late). Brad even admitted in a press conference that he was being stubborn and was the last to buy in to some things.

But last night def reverted back to the stuff that has really frustrated me. Too much hero ball or shooting 3s on offense with the lead. Run a play to a big guy to get a high percentage shot. Or my goodness pass it in to the post.

I some people I respect are defending the 6 man rotation. We have been gassed at the end of multiple games, including some of our wins. Last year we’re ran out of big guys bc of poor roster construction.

This year it’s an issue with shortage of guards. we have guys on bench but haven’t developed them enough to count on them for even 2 minutes a game?

I’m hoping last night was an off night and not a sign that we are reverting to old habits and stubbornness.
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Excellent point. Pass it to the post. This seems to me a forgotten part of the offense at times. I watched Kansas (without their best player) defeat up to then undefeated Arizona the other night. Both teams made concerted efforts to get the ball to the post. Yes I know that Arizona is not a three point shooting team. But it was interesting to watch a little bit of different offensive approach. Illinois' bigs are excellent passers. As a result more post touches might create opportunities for cutters and kick outs for open threes.
 
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I-L-L 1318
NarrowJ said:
Not to drone on about it, but I just thought the officiating was even worse last night than it was against Michigan St.

Started with a touch foul on Wagler in the 1H.

Guy that hits Mirk in the face: how does that not get called?

The ignorant jump ball call on a block took a pretty much guaranteed 2 points away from us.

Keaton just gets blatantly pushed out of bounds by #31 on a live rebound... play on and its a 5 on 4 at the other end because he's laying on the floor.

3 goaltends, unsure how many were clear but they messed up at least one of those too.

The missed 10 second call was terrible, everybody in the arena saw it and was screaming about it... Wisconsin bench was yelling and motioning to hurry... absolutely zero way 3 officials did not see this, they obviously CHOSE NOT TO call it.

The hook call on Tomi, I thought was a weak call even though probably correct. Those discards don't usually get called unless the offensive player gains a clear advantage by doing it.

This is all not to mention I think Keaton may need to start embellishing or selling some of the contact more on drives. Not saying flop, but he drew 9 fouls last night and it should have been like 12 (probably more).
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The grabbing/holding Keaton was insane. Dude is a superstar and gets whistled like he's a freshman who plays 8mpg
 
#695      
Altuve27
I haven’t posted here in a LONG time, but I am still really angry about last night. I almost lost a big screen TV and I scared the crap out of our sweet dog. 😂

Question: How does the injury designation/game availability stuff get addressed? Is that a medical staff decision? Player? Coach? Everyone?

Let me preface this by saying I am not trying to kill the guy and I am certainly not a doctor. However, if Andrej was good enough to practice and was listed as questionable and not out, he HAS to at least give it a go and if he’s not moving well or risking further injury, then you can take him out.

JMHO, when you are down to 6 guys you have to TRY to play and give whatever you can. If you wind up having to exit early, so be it. At least you tried.
 
#697      
Get yourself a new map
NarrowJ said:
Not to drone on about it, but I just thought the officiating was even worse last night than it was against Michigan St.

Started with a touch foul on Wagler in the 1H.

Guy that hits Mirk in the face: how does that not get called?

The ignorant jump ball call on a block took a pretty much guaranteed 2 points away from us.

Keaton just gets blatantly pushed out of bounds by #31 on a live rebound... play on and its a 5 on 4 at the other end because he's laying on the floor.

3 goaltends, unsure how many were clear but they messed up at least one of those too.

The missed 10 second call was terrible, everybody in the arena saw it and was screaming about it... Wisconsin bench was yelling and motioning to hurry... absolutely zero way 3 officials did not see this, they obviously CHOSE NOT TO call it.

The hook call on Tomi, I thought was a weak call even though probably correct. Those discards don't usually get called unless the offensive player gains a clear advantage by doing it.

This is all not to mention I think Keaton may need to start embellishing or selling some of the contact more on drives. Not saying flop, but he drew 9 fouls last night and it should have been like 12 (probably more).
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That hook on Tomi was insane if you watch how slow he was to call it. Like he looked at it, the two players were no longer engaged and Tomi took his gather and started to go toward the hoop. Then the guy raises his arm for the call.
 
#698      
illinifan1987
After running out of popcorn after 20 pages, all I can say is "Wow". I was expecting some hot takes, but holy :poop:...some of you are playing with lava!
Fire Lava GIF by PBS
 
#700      
NarrowJ
EmeraldCityIllini said:
Playing nice with officials in postgames as a means to helping you in the long run is a myth
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Brad said in post game that he sent 12 plays to league office from the Michigan State game

If anything, someone said to these 3 clowns last night: "hey show Brad what happens when you complain about calls"

Being a little unserious there, but I'm also struggling to figure out how they were so bad. The 10 second violation was being pointed out with a lot of motioning and screaming by both benches (Illinois bench yelling to refs, Wisconsin bench yelling to their players to hurry) as well as fans in the arena who were also paying attention, impossible they did not catch it.
 
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