Illinois #10 in 2/16 AP Poll

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#51      
fatboyslim
No logic applies to the AP poll that's why we see illogical results every week. My point was more about us beating Nebraska, Iowa, and the team that suddenly jumped ahead of us Purdue all on the road. The polls and the person I originally replied act like Purdue accomplished some incredible feat by winning at Iowa and Nebraska to justify going from 13 to 7. Seems to me like the AP couldn't wait to move them back in the top 10 after severely overrating them as preseason number 1.
 
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#52      
RedGrangeHelmet
How is Nebraska #9 ? Nebraska best wins are Michigan State & Beating Illinois in Overtime on a last Second 3 Pointer. Nebraska played absolutely nobody good in their Non Conference schedule. Illinois beat Texas Tech at home and Purdue Nebraska , Tennessee and Missouri on the Road. Stupid Big Ten Refs screwed us at Michigan State and Brad screwed us with an idiotic 6 man rotation at home against Wisconsin
 
#53      
Birdus
ChiefGritty said:
I stand corrected! (y)

Very surprised Florida didn't leapfrog us. That's gonna be the 3 seed all the 2 seeds want to avoid.
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yeh and we will probably be the one playing them. Seems we usually always get screwed outside of our elite 8 year-that is until we got to the elite 8 and had to play the team of the century.
 
#54      
Fighter of the Nightman
Using today's most current rankings, we have now played (wins in green, losses in red)...

#5 on a semi-neutral (lean road) court
#7 on the road
#9 on the road
#9 at home
#13 at home
#15 on the road
#24 at home
#25 on a semi-neutral (lean home) court
RV #28 on a semi-neutral (lean away) court

Then, of course, we play #1 at home soon.

That at least seems like a lot of games vs. teams who are currently ranked or receiving votes. 4-4 record with two losses in OT, one from a buzzer beater and another back in November. Sure, it's a cherrypicked way of describing a .500 record, but we have generally played well against very tough competition.
 
#55      
Birdus
NASchamp said:
I don’t have an argument with us dropping a few spots. But not sure I agree with who’s ahead of us.

Namely: why did Purdue jump 6 spots??
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They have to play Michigan this week. The feeling is around Laughayette that they could lose by more than 10.
 
#56      
wc_illini
I'm always curious how voters and/or the selection committee compares to the "Resume" (wins/losses) and "Quality" (net efficiency) ranking systems.

Here's the top 25 sorted by the "resume" ranking systems:
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And here's the top 25 sorted by quality (net efficiency):
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The AP poll is most correlated with SOR and WAB, with some teams appropriately shifted a bit based on efficiency (i.e. UCONN). But that doesn't explain how Kansas is ahead of us, why UNC is so high, or why Vandy is so low. The blue-blood bias seems to be in effect there, though I'm actually surprised it didn't help UCONN more.
 
#57      
Rich
Thought we'd be slightly behind but deserved.
 
#58      
illinifan1987
Fighter of the Nightman said:
Using today's most current rankings, we have now played (wins in green, losses in red)...

#5 on a semi-neutral (lean road) court
#7 on the road
#9 on the road
#9 at home
#13 at home
#15 on the road
#24 at home
#25 on a semi-neutral (lean home) court
RV #28 on a semi-neutral (lean away) court

Then, of course, we play #1 at home soon.

That at least seems like a lot of games vs. teams who are currently ranked or receiving votes. 4-4 record with two losses in OT, one from a buzzer beater and another back in November. Sure, it's a cherrypicked way of describing a .500 record, but we have generally played well against very tough competition.
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Other than 2005, I can't recall a season where we didn't have any bad losses/blowouts. I'm sure that there's people on here that can figure it out ;)
 
#62      
jamie13197
Purdue and 6 loss Kansas whom just got doors blown out. Ahead of us. Similar to Big10 officials and referees this year. Both don't Make Any Sense at all!
 
#63      
Oldskoolkoach
Just proves how clueless and pointless the AP is. Also goes to show how nationally covered we are. Anyone else missing 40% of their staring lineup would've been highly talked about and covered. Just imagine if Duke, Uconn, or Michigan were missing 25+ points from their lineups! The internet would've collapsed with all the traffic!
 
#64      
illinifan1987
But that one double digit loss was the worst in team tourney history...in front of the entire nation :(
 
#65      
Navy_illini
I view polls more of a snapshot from last week to this week and are anchored on your previous ranking. They tend to not apply logic of head to head

Selection committees look bigger picture
 
#66      
FeelYourPaign
I like to be ranked. Who doesn't? But I don't attach much importance to the number because I don't attach much credibility to the process. It's clearly sloppy work.
 
#68      
EllderIlliniFan
Fighter of the Nightman said:
Using today's most current rankings, we have now played (wins in green, losses in red)...

#5 on a semi-neutral (lean road) court
#7 on the road
#9 on the road
#9 at home
#13 at home
#15 on the road
#24 at home
#25 on a semi-neutral (lean home) court
RV #28 on a semi-neutral (lean away) court

Then, of course, we play #1 at home soon.

That at least seems like a lot of games vs. teams who are currently ranked or receiving votes. 4-4 record with two losses in OT, one from a buzzer beater and another back in November. Sure, it's a cherrypicked way of describing a .500 record, but we have generally played well against very tough competition.
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To add. Sick players at the beginning loses. Missing starting players on the last losses. With an all healthy team.8-0. :)
 
#71      
RML
Fighter of the Nightman said:
However, the pollsters should either...

(A) Assume Wisconsin is legit and not penalize us for an OT loss, while moving Wisconsin up a lot.
(B) Be skeptical of Wisconsin and penalize us for a "bad loss," while not moving Wisconsin up a lot.
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This is what happens when you combine the votes of multiple, independent voters, some of whom agree with your thought A, and the rest with your thought B.
 
#75      
wc_illini
Goillinikobd said:
Neb and PU are not top 10 teams and Wisky belongs in the top 20
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Right or wrong, the ranking systems do not agree (at least with Purdue on Wisconsin). They have Purdue around 6-8, Nebraska around 8-13 (so that's certainly borderline), and Wisconsin around 25-33

Betting odds to win it all place Purdue around 10, Nebraska around 13, and Wisconsin around 23.
 
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