Illini Basketball 2025-2026

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There's taller, then there's tougher and more athletic. Our bigs aren't very physical, live on the perimeter(which does matchup problems) and theirs are NBA caliber, play above the rim, athletic, physically tough bullies(for lack of a better term and they will bully the opponent.

We're going to have to shoot light out and make them pay by spreading them out to offset the punishment we'll take in the paint. It is what it is. To beat #1, you have to not be afraid to get dirty(diving in the floor, take hard found so no "and ones"" and try and keep them out of transition

A team made up of this type of explosive athleticism is our kryptonite. We just don't have that. We have to spread them out and hit threes at a high clip. That's our chance.

I don't want to immediately disagree with a lot of this, but I am wondering about some of it. So let me just 'stream of consciousness' kind of run through it and see how I feel about it as I apply the proverbial microscope to each area of concern.

Its hard to evaluate from a straight matchup perspective because our rotations at the 3/4/5 positions are different than how Michigan does things. We play Jake & Andrej and sometimes Ben at the 3, Mirkovic and Ben and sometimes Z at the 4, and we typically do not go small so its pretty much Tomi & Z at the 5. Michigan pretty much starts with Lendeborg, Morez and Mara up front but then rotates Will Tschetter in at the 4 with Morez playing some 5 when Mara is out or vice-versa. So its not 1:1 but lets try to reason our way through this anyhow:

Taller vs tougher and more athletic. Do we automatically give Mara/Morez/Lendeborg/Tschetter the toughness win over Tomi/Mirk/Andrej/Jake/Ben? If so, why? I think they're obviously more athletic though. Morez and Mara really do not need to be guarded on the perimeter and we are going to stretch them out on offense which gets the shot blockers out of the lane. I sort of think its impossible for us to not be considered a really 'tough' team just solely thinking about our rebounding.

NBA caliber? Mara is projected late 1st/early 2nd, Lendeborg I've seen anywhere from late lottery to late 1st, Morez is mid-to-late 2nd. If any of our front line shows up on mock drafts, they're all mid-to-late 2nd. So saying NBA caliber is true, but do we actually care, and does it actually matter, and does it make them better college players? Not a frontcourt player, but Wagler will be the best NBA prospect on the court.

Lendeborg is obviously a better college player than Andrej. Is Morez a better college player than Mirkovic? Mirkovic is far more versatile, shoots 3s on volume at an incredible percentage, can put the ball on the floor and is a great passer, basically can do everything Morez wishes he could do. Morez averages slightly more PPG and Mirkovic slightly more RPG. Is Mara more effective than Tomi? Mara averages roughly the same PPG, slightly more RPG, also blocks shots (Tomi isn't going to block a lot of shots), but Mara is a sub-50 percent free throw shooter and doesn't even need to be guarded outside 15 feet of the basket. And, we have a guy coming off of the bench who averages nearly the same amount of blocks in way less minutes than Mara plays.

As a team, Illinois has better rebound rates and a slightly higher rebounding margin (again, rebounding being as much of a "toughness" measurement/thing as you can get). I just have doubts that we're going to get "punished in the paint" since we are the slightly better rebounding team and they only average 1 more block per game than we do, and we're going to stretch them out to the 3 point line (which is something they cannot do to us without playing an ultra small lineup with Mara & Morez both on the bench).

Then we have the assertion that "we are going to have to shoot lights out" which I'm also not sure is true. Wake shot 34% from the field overall and missed 24 threes and probably should have beat them. TCU shot 37% from the field and missed 17 threes and also nearly beat them. Penn State shot 35% from the field and missed 22 threes and almost beat them. Nebraska shot a respectable 46% overall but missed 21 threes and nearly beat them without 2 rotation players.

After writing all of this, it sort of seems like we have a pretty good formula to be one of the few teams in college basketball that can match what they do and can't subscribe to a thought process that "Illinois is going to get punked and will need to get lucky and make 12-15 threes just to have a chance". As others have said, both teams present unique challenges, its probably the most interesting matchup in all of college basketball if you consider the two team's various strengths and how they align.
 
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Front court size and rebounding fairly even,sure Mich. has an athletic edge.We have a huge edge in 3 point shooting,Morez,Mara not threats from outside.
If our shots are falling from outside, yes. But that's a big if.
 
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Somewhat OT, but here is an updated list of Big Ten games this year that have cleared 1 million viewers. I'm far from an expert here, but it is my perception that this is a similar threshold as clearing 4 million viewers in football - a metric I have seen multiple analysts claim is sort of the gold standard for the networks. As always, viewers in thousands.

6,499 for #11 Michigan State vs. #16 North Carolina in Fort Myers, FL (FOX)
2,856 for Maryland at UCLA (FOX)
2,764 for #3 Michigan at #7 Michigan State (FOX)
2,016 for Wisconsin at #2 Michigan (CBS)
1,958 for Indiana at Kentucky (ESPN)
1,945 for #5 Illinois at #10 Michigan State (FOX)
1,902 for Ohio State at #3 Michigan (FOX)
1,782 for #4 Duke at #7 Michigan State (ESPN)
1,685 for #11 Illinois at #4 Purdue (FOX)
1,677 for #14 Arkansas at #22 Michigan State (FOX)
1,566 for #17 Michigan State vs. #12 Kentucky in New York, NY (ESPN)
1,500 for Ohio State vs. #12 North Carolina in Atlanta, GA (CBS)
1,476 for #10 Michigan State at Wisconsin (FOX)
1,421 for #6 Louisville vs. #22 Indiana in Indianapolis, IN (CBS)
1,366 for #9 Illinois at #5 Nebraska (FS1)
1,329 for #2 Michigan at Ohio State (CBS)
1,290 for UCLA at Ohio State (CBS)
1,260 for Maryland at #10 Michigan State (CBS)
1,228 for #2 Michigan at Maryland (CBS)
1,214 for Indiana at #8 Illinois (CBS)
1,212 for Iowa at Indiana (FOX)
1,186 for Ohio State at Wisconsin (FOX)
1,142 for #10 Iowa State at #1 Purdue (CBS)
1,059 for #12 Gonzaga vs. #7 Michigan in Las Vegas, NV (TNT)
1,058 for #12 Purdue at Maryland (CBS)


NOTE: The following are some very relevant omissions that could have and / or likely did get 1 million viewers or more. It sucks that the data was never made available, especially for our Black Friday game vs. UConn. :cry:

#13 Illinois vs. #5 UConn in New York, NY (FOX)
Wisconsin at Indiana (FOX)

As much as I can't stand ESPN, from a strict ratings perspective, it really sucks that we never play on that channel anymore. ESPN is so much more committed to getting SEC basketball games on its main flagship network throughout each week than FOX, CBS and NBC are combined. The result is way too many Big Ten games getting put on BTN or FS1 and being lucky to get over 500k viewers. Still incredibly impressive that Illinois/Nebraska is the only game on that entire list from a "lesser" network, that being FS1. It makes you wonder what the rating would have been if FOX had that one. I also have zero doubt that there was a massive audience for our UConn game, as those Thanksgiving and Black Friday games are ratings gold. Our Thanksgiving game vs. Arkansas last year on CBS was (at the time) the highest rated regular season college basketball game since like 2008 with over 5 million viewers. Obviously, MSU/UNC passed that this year, and in general (as has been noted here) ratings for college hoops are way up this year ... which is good, because we are good!

Look for Illinois' NCAA Tournament ratings to be QUITE high, if you're asking me.
 
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I feel like we match up as well as anyone does against Michigan.

4 of our 5 losses have come when teams make 10+ threes against us which has happened in about 1/3 of our high major games.

Michigan has made 10+ threes in 9 of their 22 high major games. They're capable but it's not something they rely on.

What they do rely on is their size to get points in the paint and rebounds. We, too, have size, rebounding prowess, and a defense designed to prevent points in the paint.

So, in a game where there are lots of strength on strength matchups that could cancel each other out, I think pace (one of the fastest vs one of the most deliberate) and Michigan's 3pt shooting are what will tilt the game in one direction or the other.
 
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Somehow will still be like 8th in B1G coach of the year rankings.
People have mentioned this before, but I think Brad has (arguably unfairly) suffered from two things in this regard:

(1) In the years where we have had arguably elite teams, there has been someone just above Brad in the pecking order. In 2021, it was the media fawning over Juwan Howard and Michigan, even when we were both #1 seeds and we beat their a$$ on their court. In 2024, Painter had the unambiguously (even) more elite team with Purdue, and the story with Hoiberg and Nebraska was better (in other words, it wasn't "unexpected" that Illinois was quite good). This year, he's up against a first year coach at Michigan that is currently a full seed line above us and an unquestionably more surprising story once again at Nebraska with Hoiberg.

(2) The second is that we have established ourselves as "quietly always good" over the long haul of the last 6+ years. Our down years involve winning 20+ games and making the NCAA Tournament, and our best years involve being a top 3 seed and clear Elite Eight (or beyond) contenders. Underwood is "always there," and I think it leads to people overlooking what a great job he is doing every season, as it's just seen as usual that Illinois is "in the mix."
 
#360      
People have mentioned this before, but I think Brad has (arguably unfairly) suffered from two things in this regard:

(1) In the years where we have had arguably elite teams, there has been someone just above Brad in the pecking order. In 2021, it was the media fawning over Juwan Howard and Michigan, even when we were both #1 seeds and we beat their a$$ on their court. In 2024, Painter had the unambiguously (even) more elite team with Purdue, and the story with Hoiberg and Nebraska was better (in other words, it wasn't "unexpected" that Illinois was quite good). This year, he's up against a first year coach at Michigan that is currently a full seed line above us and an unquestionably more surprising story once again at Nebraska with Hoiberg.

(2) The second is that we have established ourselves as "quietly always good" over the long haul of the last 6+ years. Our down years involve winning 20+ games and making the NCAA Tournament, and our best years involve being a top 3 seed and clear Elite Eight (or beyond) contenders. Underwood is "always there," and I think it leads to people overlooking what a great job he is doing every season, as it's just seen as usual that Illinois is "in the mix."
Don’t forget 2022 when Gard won it when we shared the title. I think he would have an outside shot at it this year if we beat Michigan and get a share of the title but probably would go to Hoiberg still.
 
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Don’t forget 2022 when Gard won it when we shared the title. I think he would have an outside shot at it this year if we beat Michigan and get a share of the title but probably would go to Hoiberg still.
It's the season that ended with Covid that Brad really should have won it instead of Gard.

This year it was Hoiberg by a country mile a couple weeks ago, but can they close strong?

Wagler leads this fan vote (click on the tweet):

I feel like it is and ought to be a wider open race than that.

Iowa would be down with the Northwesterns and Oregons without Bennett Stirtz.
 
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If team success isn’t a factor, then shouldn’t Steinbach have an argument for FOY over Wagler?
An argument? Sure. I think Wagler is ahead of him, but the season isn't over.

Bruce Thornton is another guy who deserves to be mentioned in the POY race.

Now, I don't think you should PUNISH Yaxel for playing very efficient basketball on a team with excellent teammates. But he just isn't carrying his team the way some others are.

It's a tough call!
 
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Very unfortunate that Zvonimir's name gets cropped off that image on my screen. For those with the same issue:

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People have mentioned this before, but I think Brad has (arguably unfairly) suffered from two things in this regard:

(1) In the years where we have had arguably elite teams, there has been someone just above Brad in the pecking order. In 2021, it was the media fawning over Juwan Howard and Michigan, even when we were both #1 seeds and we beat their a$$ on their court. In 2024, Painter had the unambiguously (even) more elite team with Purdue, and the story with Hoiberg and Nebraska was better (in other words, it wasn't "unexpected" that Illinois was quite good). This year, he's up against a first year coach at Michigan that is currently a full seed line above us and an unquestionably more surprising story once again at Nebraska with Hoiberg.

(2) The second is that we have established ourselves as "quietly always good" over the long haul of the last 6+ years. Our down years involve winning 20+ games and making the NCAA Tournament, and our best years involve being a top 3 seed and clear Elite Eight (or beyond) contenders. Underwood is "always there," and I think it leads to people overlooking what a great job he is doing every season, as it's just seen as usual that Illinois is "in the mix."
May is a second-year coach at Michigan.
 
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An argument? Sure. I think Wagler is ahead of him, but the season isn't over.

Bruce Thornton is another guy who deserves to be mentioned in the POY race.

Now, I don't think you should PUNISH Yaxel for playing very efficient basketball on a team with excellent teammates. But he just isn't carrying his team the way some others are.

It's a tough call!
I guess it depends on how you’d define “argument.” To me “argument” only stands for the guys that realistically have a chance to win it.

Does Stirtz theoretically have an argument? Probably.

Does Thornton theoretically have an argument? Probably.

But if the award were to be handed out today, neither of those guys have a realistic chance to win it.

IMO the BIG POY has been between 4 guys for the past month. The order has just continuously flip flopped:

Wagler, Smith, Yaxel, Fears

Right now the top two would probably be Yaxel and Wagler.

Freshman of the year is a 🔒.
 
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