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Wild when you consider his march success lol
Not as wild when you consider that he has the most conference wins over the last half decade plus. Which conference coach would you rather have? They're ready to fire Painter, May has not proven that he can sustain success, etc.

This is a conference that hasn't won a national championship since MSU, which was in a different century. Who would you rather have? Take NIL money into consideration. May was handed a fortune to spend.
 
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Nearly all of his points come from the line …

He can’t create for himself and can’t make open shots …

And most all of his “good games” … Come from us blowing out bottom half Big Ten teams …

MSU, Tx Tech and Bama come to mind as good games when we needed him to step up … Otherwise, he hasn’t …

No show against Michigan, UCLA, Nebraska, Purdue, Tennessee, UConn …

Need more from your “alpha”/highest paid guy …
Your trolling is at a severe level
 
#657      
Not as wild when you consider that he has the most conference wins over the last half decade plus. Which conference coach would you rather have? They're ready to fire Painter, May has not proven that he can sustain success, etc.

This is a conference that hasn't won a national championship since MSU, which was in a different century. Who would you rather have? Take NIL money into consideration. May was handed a fortune to spend.
Are they really though?
 
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Nearly all of his points come from the line …

He can’t create for himself and can’t make open shots …

And most all of his “good games” … Come from us blowing out bottom half Big Ten teams …

MSU, Tx Tech and Bama come to mind as good games when we needed him to step up … Otherwise, he hasn’t …

No show against Michigan, UCLA, Nebraska, Purdue, Tennessee, UConn …

Need more from your “alpha”/highest paid guy …
The fact that this is an argument against someone’s scoring is wild lol. Maybe getting to the line is a skill?
 
#661      
What is good Andrej ?

He can’t shoot … He doesn’t rebound … He drives into double teams and turns it over … He doesn’t consistently defend …

What exactly does he do that warrants PT at this point ?
Andrei I thought has been fine until his injury. I thought he was great against Sparty scoring 17 points. Obviously he's been terrible in recent games but I attribute it to his injury. He should be starting ahead of Davis if his leg is completely healed. We would have been be better off not getting the Ivisics and instead we should have outbid Michigan for Mara or brought in another top center like the UConn or Florida center.
 
#662      
Andrej was not good against Michigan. Barely played. As we all know.

Weirdly, that just made me realize how much we need Andrej.
I really hope he is not checked out. Did Dusty May linger with Andrej in the handshake line? :unsure: We do need him. Our bench is so short the way it is.

When was the last time Peja or Andrej's mom were at a game (before USC)? He played well at USC when they were in the crowd.
 
#663      
Had to take a few days off after that disaster. Can anyone tell me a game where Tomislav Ivisic plays with passion? Your 7ft tall and you are getting pushed around. And Andrej how easy is it to hit the ball out of your hands?
 
#664      
Yeah, no use for a guy averaging 13 ppg.
This isn't the "dunk" you may think it is.

Finding someone to average 13 points a game and 4 rebounds on 27 mins with a 49/27/82 split? Those guys are common. We could have gotten a Lamar Wilkerson/Payton Sandfort (Hell, maybe both) for the same NIL as Dre.

He was a swing and a miss.

He doesn't fit the offensive scheme here and you can't play him alongside Kylan who got Ty Rodgers level "dorked" by Michigan.
 
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Nearly all of his points come from the line …

He can’t create for himself and can’t make open shots …

And most all of his “good games” … Come from us blowing out bottom half Big Ten teams …

MSU, Tx Tech and Bama come to mind as good games when we needed him to step up … Otherwise, he hasn’t …

No show against Michigan, UCLA, Nebraska, Purdue, Tennessee, UConn …

Need more from your “alpha”/highest paid guy …
He is gonna put up huge numbers on a 16-win ACC team next year.
 
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I believe the bigs and Andrej could be utilized better. That we can agree on. I think a big issue is the injuries and players being in and out of the lineup. It has messed with the on court chemistry and you can tell they are still searching for that right mix that they had pre-Boswell's injury. I also think Mirk's presence is definitely taking opportunities away from Tomi, Big Z, and Andrej. It is a bit of a conondrum that the staff will have to figure out.

I still say Tre White is a serviceable piece. He isn't the missing piece that is keeping us from being a Final 4 contender. I wouldn't call him a bulldog either. I think he can play defense when he wants to but there were other times where his rebounding and defense would go, which is why he got in the doghouse late last year. He's a solid player...not great...not elite...but solid piece. I certainly wouldn't run an offense centered around him though.

Andrej can go get his own at any time but his style of game doesn't totally fit this team either. His style would've fit 2 seasons ago much like a Domask type. But Andrej can rebound and defend when he sets his mind to it. He hadn't played on a winning team in his first two seasons so clearly, he's still adjusting to not being so ball dominant
Hopefully, Trey doesn’t go to the final 4 with Kansas and make that statement comeback to haunt US bc I agree with you that is probably isn’t a final four missing piece.

I would love for Andrej to find his groove and for plays to be drawn up for him.
 
#668      
Andrej has scored 344 points with 73 free throws made

So nearly all = ~20%

What have you done lately … Anyone can score against Southern and whoever else in non conference and that’ll inflate the numbers …

February games … Heart of Big Ten Play … Month sample size … 72 points … 28 at the line … 39% of his points … At the line …

And I don’t even need to pull the stats from 3 … Absolutely atrocious … I wouldn’t even guard him from 3 …
 
#669      
What have you done lately … Anyone can score against Southern and whoever else in non conference and that’ll inflate the numbers …

February games … Heart of Big Ten Play … Month sample size … 72 points … 28 at the line … 39% of his points … At the line …

And I don’t even need to pull the stats from 3 … Absolutely atrocious … I wouldn’t even guard him from 3 …
I mean, it’s pretty obvious from what you’re seeing and hearing that he most likely isn’t going to be here next year…and im cool with that at his price point.
 
#670      
What have you done lately … Anyone can score against Southern and whoever else in non conference and that’ll inflate the numbers …

February games … Heart of Big Ten Play … Month sample size … 72 points … 28 at the line … 39% of his points … At the line …

And I don’t even need to pull the stats from 3 … Absolutely atrocious … I wouldn’t even guard him from 3 …
Any chance the ankle has remained an issue?
 
#671      
What have you done lately … Anyone can score against Southern and whoever else in non conference and that’ll inflate the numbers …

February games … Heart of Big Ten Play … Month sample size … 72 points … 28 at the line … 39% of his points … At the line …

And I don’t even need to pull the stats from 3 … Absolutely atrocious … I wouldn’t even guard him from 3 …

He scored 6 points vs Southern but okay

You said “nearly all” and 39% is nowhere close to “nearly all”… is making FTs bad now? People make up some weird stuff to get upset about

He’s oscillated between being our 2nd/3rd leading scorer all season, so he’s important

I worry more that he’s had so many lower body injuries this year, has to be rough
 
#672      
What have you done lately … Anyone can score against Southern and whoever else in non conference and that’ll inflate the numbers …

February games … Heart of Big Ten Play … Month sample size … 72 points … 28 at the line … 39% of his points … At the line …

And I don’t even need to pull the stats from 3 … Absolutely atrocious … I wouldn’t even guard him from 3 …
Not going to disagree about recent struggles, which are a concern (partially injury related?). No doubt reasons for less playing time at this point.

However, his "inflated" numbers came mostly against Quad 1 non conference opponents and various B1G games (very strong games vs Texas Tech, Bama, @OSU, Nebraska, @OSU, @Iowa, MD, and @USC). He only scored 6 vs Southern. The larger issue is the lack of consistency.
 
#673      
It is very hard to claim Stojakovic has not been a disappointment. You can be good and still be disappointing, because we brought him and paid him to replace 2 NBA 1st round draft picks. Andrej has 0 chance of being drafted after this year. He was supposed to be the alpha. If Wagler hadn't been a diamond in the rough and able to handle the alpha role, I think this team would be a bit of a mess.
 
#674      
What have you done lately … Anyone can score against Southern and whoever else in non conference and that’ll inflate the numbers …

February games … Heart of Big Ten Play … Month sample size … 72 points … 28 at the line … 39% of his points … At the line …

And I don’t even need to pull the stats from 3 … Absolutely atrocious … I wouldn’t even guard him from 3 …
My main problem with Andrej is that when he gets the ball he predetermines his move without reading the defense. He only has 3 assists in the last 5 games, with the way he penetrates there should be open shooters.
 
#675      
What have you done lately … Anyone can score against Southern and whoever else in non conference and that’ll inflate the numbers …

February games … Heart of Big Ten Play … Month sample size … 72 points … 28 at the line … 39% of his points … At the line …

And I don’t even need to pull the stats from 3 … Absolutely atrocious … I wouldn’t even guard him from 3 …
My biggest two complaints with Andrej is his lack of willingness to look for the open guy when he drives and inconsistency on defense. He has the athletic ability to be a very good defender.
 
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