Pregame: Illinois vs Penn, Thursday, March 19th, 8:25pm CT, TNT

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#401      
I'll be in Vegas for the first round... point spreads do in fact matter. nothing like seeing the last few seconds of a game in the sportsbook. chaos
I was in Sam's Town Sports Book the first time a 1 seed fell in the first round in 2018. It was pandemonium.
 
#402      
Yet St John’s is a 5 seed and Brad has a 3 seed. Last year, St John’s lost as a 2 seed to a 10 seed in the second round. Which is worse than any NCAA defeat Brad has taken here.
That one was the committee's fault. There is no way St. John's should have been a 2 seed.
 
#403      
Saw a stat that showed Ivy League in the tourney the last 10 years...They have highly surpassed seed line expectations.

Get to the rim. Easy game plan. Penn has no one that can keep you from getting to the hoop.

They also don't have 7 footers like the twins.

Only way this game is close is if we get complacent and try and trade 3 point attempts.
Interesting. I looked at the last ten Ivy teams in the tourney (they skipped 2021, no tourney in 2020).

They were underdogs in every game, but went 5-10
Against the spread, they went 9-6
On average, they were 3.5pts better than the spread, but were as high as 21.5pts over and as low as 22.5pts under
Their worst odds were +16.5pts (2022 Yale lost by 22 to 3-seed Purdue)
As 13-17pt dogs, they were 2-2

So they have indeed over-performed expectations, but they have never faced such long odds nor beat the spread by as much as we're currently favored. I am not guaranteeing anything of course.

I'm also not sure if there's any reason assume that Penn has anything to do with the performance of other Ivy schools from prior years. Yale, Princeton, and Harvard have all the wins and all the appearances except one by Penn (when they lost by 16 as 14.5pt dogs to 1-seed Kansas)
 
#404      
Tomi ain’t checked out lol

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#405      
Are they also sending scouts to check out Texas A & M and provide a full scouting report? How about St. Mary's? Why is it limited to Houston? Odds? That's silly.

I'm not saying they aren't knowledgeable. I'm not saying you aren't knowledgeable. I'm saying that no staff in the country would go down a two week path, when the amount of work that has to go into Penn, VCU AND UNC is overwhelming.

Do we scout the Final Four next week should we survive the first two games?
😂 they don’t send scouts to games. It’s all done with video by the support staff. They have a specific scouting report for each opponent with the same specific information (personal, stats, advanced metrics, offensive sets, defensive sets, inbounds plays, precise video of offensive sets, defensive sets, rotations). This has already been compiled for Penn, UNC and VCU. This is not overwhelming for the staff. It is routine. The support staff loves doing it and fight for the privilege to do it. It’s great experience. It’s an honor. A coach like Kruger is overseeing all non Penn scouting reports.

Yes, they will do a scouting report on the winner of St. Mary’s / TXAM after that game is completed.

It’s not overwhelming for professionals. It’s likely done with one or two staffers plus someone like Kruger. It’s what coaches do. They main coaches and all players don’t even know it’s happening.

They are not going down a two week path. In 6 days they will have a full team meeting going over their S16 opponent. Fully 100% prepared. Full scouting report. Full videos.

If you think Illinois is getting together Friday morning and saying let’s start on UNC or meeting next Sunday and saying let’s start on Houston you are not knowledgeable.

As far as my knowledge, I was recruited by Lou Henson to walk on at Illinois. I’m friends or acquaintances with half of the Illinois coaches in the last 40 years and half of the players from the late 80’s to 2000 and played with most of them. I have both sat through and done scouting reports.

I’m happy not to post when someone asks a question I have direct knowledge about if your knowledge and experience is better than mine.
 
#406      
When you watch Pitino coaching St Johns, he is standing on the sideline giving instruction to his team. Same with Hurley. OTOH Brad sits in his chair like he is watching cricket on the lawn sipping wine. idk.
Conversely, if Brads hiring good assistants who know how to run their respective side of the ball or positional group, I’d rather him focus on the big picture rather than individuals.
 
#407      
I think your brain is on the right track but your logic is wrong.

Let’s apply what you’re doing to a 5-12 seed. 12 seeds have won 57 games in that same timespan. 57/40 x 100 = 142.5% chance of a 12 over a 5 in this tournament? That doesn’t make any sense.

Probability Math unfortunately does not work this clean or simple.
Their approximation is pretty close. Using the historical data of a 14.25% chance of any given 3-14 game being an upset, the odds that there is at least one 3-14 upset in a given year is: 1-[odds all 3 seeds win] = 1-[1-.1425]**4 = 56.1%
 
#408      
Keaton’s near 50-bomb at Mackey may end up being the best and worst thing about this season. We got away from our offensive flow after that game.
I agree that it looks that way, but:

From Tennessee through (and including) that Purdue game, our Adjusted Off was 133.6 (if I exclude the Purdue game, the highest stretch of games I can cherry-pick is 133.3 for the three just prior to Purdue)
After Purdue, it's been almost the same at 133.1

From Washington (next game after Purdue) through UCLA, it was 136.6
After UCLA, it's been 126.2

I really hope that Wagler hurt his shoulder/back at UCLA, and that it's recovered now.
 
#409      
As many others have stated, this is about as good of a path we could get for the S16. Either we lose to UNC or make the E8+. I really hope it's the latter (y)
 
#411      
This is accurate …

I will also say it wasn’t a secret we were getting Penn and going to be in Greenville … We already had film ready and started prepping on Saturday …

No excuse to not be f’ing ready …

The game plan is SIMPLE …
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#412      
Their approximation is pretty close. Using the historical data of a 14.25% chance of any given 3-14 game being an upset, the odds that there is at least one 3-14 upset in a given year is: 1-[odds all 3 seeds win] = 1-[1-.1425]**4 = 56.1%
So close...

23 / 160 = 0.14375
1 - 0.14375 = 0.85625
0.85625^4 = 0.538
1 - 0.538 = 0.462 (46.2%)
 
#419      
When you watch Pitino coaching St Johns, he is standing on the sideline giving instruction to his team. Same with Hurley. OTOH Brad sits in his chair like he is watching cricket on the lawn sipping wine. idk.
Sitting on the bench is old school. John Wooden rarely got off the bench, although he was constantly chirping at the officials. By tthe way Wooden hated to call timeouts. Coach K spent a great amount of time on the bench. There are others, which escape my memory. And in the pros you had the great Celtic coach Red Auerbach ( Bill Russell helped immemsely) who would light a cigar on the bench, when victory was guaranteed.
 
#421      
So close...

23 / 160 = 0.14375
1 - 0.14375 = 0.85625
0.85625^4 = 0.538
1 - 0.538 = 0.462 (46.2%)
Math is right. However, the 3 seed has only won twice in 9 years. Prior to that, Brad Underwood was the head coach of the Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks when they defeated West Virginia 70-56 in the first round of the 2016 NCAA
 
#422      
Yes, they already are gathering the information they need to prepare a scouting report for Houston. They have PLENTY of staff to do this. They aren’t starting to gather Houston information on Sunday flying back from Greenville. Houston’s scouting will done and ready for entire staff to review by the time Illinois wins on Saturday

I think college coaching staffs are more knowledgeable about how to advance scout than you are.
Technology has really helped. I follow a high school of 400+ students and all their football, basketball, volleyball, etc. are live streamed with the exception of NFHS schools.
 
#424      
You can be a professional athlete and a kid at the same time. One has nothing to do with the other, the brain still has lots of development left. Would you say any professional athlete that gets a haircut 4 days before a game is not focusing on the game?
We literally have factual evidence of the exact same thing happening to Wagler when he decided to get a haircut. He’s been on milk cartons since he’s cut the locks…
 
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