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HereSoIDontGetFined
After Iowa just took out Florida, are they silly enough to let him leave? Is UNC going to have to throw eight figures at him?

Edit: just saw there's a coach-in-waiting for Creighton. Hope it works out for them.
 
#403      
HereSoIDontGetFined
I am howling at the big reporters (e.g., Goodman) reporting that UNC isn't willing to stomach the tactics used by Oates while simultaneously reporting that UNC is very interested in Golden if he's willing to leave Gainesville
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UNC would need to up its coed game, first.
 
#404      
OrangeBlue98
the juiceman cometh said:
McCollum seems like a good coach, but this is kinda hilarious. UNC would never have hired him based on one season at Drake right? So he must be getting hired off the back of his work at Iowa? Which consists of one good, not great, year and securing a 9-seed as either the 8th or 9th best Big Ten team?

In reality, the result of exactly one game, a victory in a one-game series against Florida, has him now being considered for the UNC job?! It's insane. Here's how insane it is: Steven Pearl has the same credential. He also beat Florida in a one-game series this year. His is actually better because he did it @Florida. Only difference is January v. March, but honestly, it's still fundamentally the same game.

Every year Athletic Departments make mistakes putting too much stock on the result of one or two games in March. It's wild to see sometimes. It'd be one thing if McCollum had done this after showing some fight in the conference, but that's not what happened. His record vs. the top half of the conference was 3-8 (incl. BTT) and he had losses to Maryland and Penn St. And that's with a 2nd Team All-Big player on his roster.
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See Groce, John (really Thomas, Mike)
 
#406      
ChiefGritty
the juiceman cometh said:
McCollum seems like a good coach, but this is kinda hilarious. UNC would never have hired him based on one season at Drake right? So he must be getting hired off the back of his work at Iowa? Which consists of one good, not great, year and securing a 9-seed as either the 8th or 9th best Big Ten team?

In reality, the result of exactly one game, a victory in a one-game series against Florida, has him now being considered for the UNC job?! It's insane. Here's how insane it is: Steven Pearl has the same credential. He also beat Florida in a one-game series this year. His is actually better because he did it @Florida. Only difference is January v. March, but honestly, it's still fundamentally the same game.

Every year Athletic Departments make mistakes putting too much stock on the result of one or two games in March. It's wild to see sometimes. It'd be one thing if McCollum had done this after showing some fight in the conference, but that's not what happened. His record vs. the top half of the conference was 3-8 (incl. BTT) and he had losses to Maryland and Penn St. And that's with a 2nd Team All-Big player on his roster.
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Maybe I'm wrong but I do suspect that they're looking at his dominant career in Division 2, followed by immediate success stepping up levels and thinking "this is just another Curt Cignetti, hidden genius who has completely decoded the game".

But yeah, beyond that being stupid and not how basketball works at all, Iowa was picked to finish 8th in the Big Ten this year and finished 9th, with basically two notable wins all year including yesterday.

And has no ties to UNC, the ACC, the South, anything. Nobody had heard of this guy 18 months ago.

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Randy Bennett to Ariz St :oops:
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Kinda ties in with the Brad Stevens thing. Several years ago Bennett was considered to be ungettable, because he was just happy and satisfied where he was, the big jobs didn't tempt him.

Some years go by, your kids grow up and leave the house, you continue doing the same thing year in year out, and for some guys that changes. It doesn't mean Arizona State is that magical job he's always been waiting for, it doesn't mean anything was ever untrue about him not wanting to leave. Time passes, people change (or don't), the future is hard to predict. You work with the best information you've got, and Randy Bennett to Arizona State is a classic example of the old adage of "at least make a phone call and have him tell you no"
 
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bavanga3
There was a time when there was a school of thought that leaving Illinois and taking the job in Kansas was a step-up. That wasn’t true then. And SURELY isn’t true now, or will be tomorrow.

Going to Kansas or North Carolina or Kentucky or such places is no longer the holy grail of College Ball. The old legacy nameplate are not magic dust anymore.
NIL and The Portal have leveled the field – and there are now lots of desirable places that a great coach can enjoy their craft. And players who are no longer hyponized just because certain programs once dominated College Ball.

God Bless The Portal.
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Tell that to Bill Self and his 9 elite 8's, 3 championship appearances and 2 titles with the Jayhawks. I get we are Illini fans, but anybody claiming Illinois was the better job when he left is living in an alternate reality.
 
#408      
FreshlySqueezed
ChiefGritty said:
Kinda ties in with the Brad Stevens thing. Several years ago Bennett was considered to be ungettable, because he was just happy and satisfied where he was, the big jobs didn't tempt him.

Some years go by, your kids grow up and leave the house, you continue doing the same thing year in year out, and for some guys that changes. It doesn't mean Arizona State is that magical job he's always been waiting for, it doesn't mean anything was ever untrue about him not wanting to leave. Time passes, people change (or don't), the future is hard to predict. You work with the best information you've got, and Randy Bennett to Arizona State is a classic example of the old adage of "at least make a phone call and have him tell you no"
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Randy Bennett is from the Phoenix area, has always been intrigued by the ASU job (per Goodman) and Gonzaga is leaving the WCC.

I think at least one of his sons is on the Gaels. I assume he'll end up transferring to ASU.

I'd say this is a unique set of circumstances that got him to jump.
 
#410      
ChiefGritty
FreshlySqueezed said:
has always been intrigued by the ASU job (per Goodman)
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This is exactly the kind of thing I'm pushing back on.

The worst one ever was Chris Petersen where it was something about him being categorically unwilling to take his young daughter that had some sort of health problem away from her doctors and support system in Boise, but then he takes the Washington job and there's all this college football scoopster reporting about there being some global expert in the condition in Seattle.

The desire for just-so stories makes coaching carousel reporting and analysis worse, not better.
 
#413      
AnnaMay
ChiefGritty said:
I've been totally mystified by the McCollum chatter today, but then I realized, everyone is analogizing him to Curt Cignetti aren't they?

That's really stupid!
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I kind of see it though. His current team is a bunch of nobodies and Stirtz. Imagine what he can do with a bunch of 4 and 5 stars at UNC. Makes a little bit of sense.
 
#414      
FreshlySqueezed
This is exactly the kind of thing I'm pushing back on.

The worst one ever was Chris Petersen where it was something about him being categorically unwilling to take his young daughter that had some sort of health problem away from her doctors and support system in Boise, but then he takes the Washington job and there's all this college football scoopster reporting about there being some global expert in the condition in Seattle.

The desire for just-so stories makes coaching carousel reporting and analysis worse, not better.
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And you ignored the part where he is from the Phoenix area?

You're so purposely obtuse, it's obnoxious.
 
#415      
rmlsr
Indy Illini Fan said:
McCollum & Byington are who I continue to hear for UNC …
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I been saying it since last year that McCollum was a star in the making. I think North Carolina ends up with Byington which is still a very good coach.
 
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Fly Illini Fly!
the juiceman cometh said:
McCollum seems like a good coach, but this is kinda hilarious. UNC would never have hired him based on one season at Drake right? So he must be getting hired off the back of his work at Iowa? Which consists of one good, not great, year and securing a 9-seed as either the 8th or 9th best Big Ten team?

In reality, the result of exactly one game, a victory in a one-game series against Florida, has him now being considered for the UNC job?! It's insane. Here's how insane it is: Steven Pearl has the same credential. He also beat Florida in a one-game series this year. His is actually better because he did it @Florida. Only difference is January v. March, but honestly, it's still fundamentally the same game.

Every year Athletic Departments make mistakes putting too much stock on the result of one or two games in March. It's wild to see sometimes. It'd be one thing if McCollum had done this after showing some fight in the conference, but that's not what happened. His record vs. the top half of the conference was 3-8 (incl. BTT) and he had losses to Maryland and Penn St. And that's with a 2nd Team All-Big player on his roster.
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Isn’t the Sienna coach getting hired at Syracuse for giving Duke all they could handle in a 16-1?
 
#423      
Chillinini
the juiceman cometh said:
It's insane. Here's how insane it is: Steven Pearl has the same credential. He also beat Florida in a one-game series this year. His is actually better because he did it @Florida. Only difference is January v. March, but honestly, it's still fundamentally the same game.
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Nope. McCollum paid his dues. Dude was a successful coach at Northwest MO St and Drake. Parlayed that into Iowa. Coached his tail off to get into tournament and into Sweet 16. Not even close to the son of Satan. Steven Pearl got his job from daddy with no experience.
 
#424      
ChiefGritty
Please tell me there are not posters here young enough to not know who Gerry McNamara is

Matt Damon Grandpa GIF
 
#425      
the juiceman cometh
Chillinini said:
Nope. McCollum paid his dues. Dude was a successful coach at Northwest MO St and Drake. Parlayed that into Iowa. Coached his tail off to get into tournament and into Sweet 16. Not even close to the son of Satan. Steven Pearl got his job from daddy with no experience.
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Do you think UNC would have hired him straight from Drake, or straight from Northwest MO St? I don't. I don't think they'd feel comfortable hiring a coach with no high major (or NBA though I think they'd shy away from a non-college guy this time) experience. I also don't think they'd entertain hiring if he'd lost to Florida. One middling year in Iowa followed by a R32 exit? No way. Only reason they feel comfortable even entertaining the idea now is the result of one singular game. Which is crazy.
 
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