Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Fly Illini Fly!
3rd best OREB rate in the nation:

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I’d wager these types of sauces we’ve probably mastered:

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AttentionDeficit
the juiceman cometh said:
That puts OSU's NIL outlay at about 9% of revenue.
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It is off-topic from your discussion, and I don't mean to pick on you here Juiceman, but there is some confusion in how some recent posts are looking at and talking about NIL.

I will trust your math and agree that OSU's NIL is 9% of revenue.
BUT (and I mean a big slappin' dumper BUT here), OSU's NIL outlay is ZERO % of revenue, and ZERO dollars because the people profiting (OSU in your example) are not the people paying the NIL (OSU's boosters in your example).

RE: earlier posts on this topic, neither the NCAA nor the conferences nor the schools themselves are interested in treating the players like employees because they aren't the ones currently paying the players. It is in all of their interests to maintain the current system as long as they can, to continue fleecing their boosters (and the year over year NIL increases don't point to any booster fatigue at the p5 level just yet), and to spend up to 9% of revenue on lawyers to try to keep the current system in place. Should a real system be put into place where college athletics is a business like almost any other, OSU stands to immediately lose... 9% of revenue.
 
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Brosky
good landing spot. he needs to play a lot and he wlll
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Agree. Trust me though, he's going to hate the winter weather out there. But I hope he does well.
 
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EyeoftheIllini
ptgrd23 said:
He was highly rated but struggled on offense. Did not appear to have good 3 point shot. Defense was OK but not able to stop elite like Braden Smith, Jeremy Fears, Blackwell.

Dropping a level to get more playing time while working on his game seems like an intelligent move. James Madison was 18-15 middle of pack sun belt conference.
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I must have missed it. How badly did he miss his one 3-point attempt to appear to not have a good one?
 
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lstewart53x3
AttentionDeficit said:
It is off-topic from your discussion, and I don't mean to pick on you here Juiceman, but there is some confusion in how some recent posts are looking at and talking about NIL.

I will trust your math and agree that OSU's NIL is 9% of revenue.
BUT (and I mean a big slappin' dumper BUT here), OSU's NIL outlay is ZERO % of revenue, and ZERO dollars because the people profiting (OSU in your example) are not the people paying the NIL (OSU's boosters in your example).

RE: earlier posts on this topic, neither the NCAA nor the conferences nor the schools themselves are interested in treating the players like employees because they aren't the ones currently paying the players. It is in all of their interests to maintain the current system as long as they can, to continue fleecing their boosters (and the year over year NIL increases don't point to any booster fatigue at the p5 level just yet), and to spend up to 9% of revenue on lawyers to try to keep the current system in place. Should a real system be put into place where college athletics is a business like almost any other, OSU stands to immediately lose... 9% of revenue.
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This isn’t correct. The schools themselves can now pay the players up to 20% of their revenue, roughly $20 million, directly through revenue sharing.
 
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the juiceman cometh
AttentionDeficit said:
It is off-topic from your discussion, and I don't mean to pick on you here Juiceman, but there is some confusion in how some recent posts are looking at and talking about NIL.

I will trust your math and agree that OSU's NIL is 9% of revenue.
BUT (and I mean a big slappin' dumper BUT here), OSU's NIL outlay is ZERO % of revenue, and ZERO dollars because the people profiting (OSU in your example) are not the people paying the NIL (OSU's boosters in your example).

RE: earlier posts on this topic, neither the NCAA nor the conferences nor the schools themselves are interested in treating the players like employees because they aren't the ones currently paying the players. It is in all of their interests to maintain the current system as long as they can, to continue fleecing their boosters (and the year over year NIL increases don't point to any booster fatigue at the p5 level just yet), and to spend up to 9% of revenue on lawyers to try to keep the current system in place. Should a real system be put into place where college athletics is a business like almost any other, OSU stands to immediately lose... 9% of revenue.
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I 100% get this and have mentioned it on here many times as well.

I use NIL as a proxy for wages/profit distribution because it's the closest analogue to NBA wages. Legally NIL is more like a sponsorship an NBA player would get, and players in fact get 0% of revenue (until the House settlement funds start getting distributed, in which case that rises to about 20% of the average school revenue which does not take into account the money retained by NCAA and conferences). But we know that's a bit of a legal fiction because these NIL funds are only loosely tied to sponsorships and appear to mostly be a diversion of one revenue stream (donations) from athletic department to players.

In any event, players in college aren't sniffing anywhere close to the 50% of revenue that NBA players get.
 
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IndyIllini2
Curious to see if any of the insiders can confirm or deny a rumor that I have heard. Rumor is that Stojakovic could very well be drafted and leave and there is a backup plan. That plan is Momcilovic and that there may already be an offer out there if the first domino falls. As much as I like talking about recruiting from the 80’s, time to get back to next year’s team.
 
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CrazedUIFan
What if…after the lottery, you find yourself projected to a team that has historically been gawd awful over the past century and a half. Do you stay in the draft or come back to college ball and gamble?
 
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Brosky
Any news on what recruits are now--or will be soon--on campus and in the gym?
 
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Bigtex
Double Secret Probation said:
Agreed - mostly though I was wondering why the staff did not think he fit in terms of getting more playing time. One thing that I'm wondering about is whether he's actually 6'4. He seems shorter than that
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maybe because he was a SG that doesn't have a good outside shot!!!
 
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Bigtex
Double Secret Probation said:
Didn't know that. He didn't play much, and that's why I stated that I was wondering what the staff had seen. We're not privy to practice
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agree didn't see enough of him to see his strengths but when Boswell and Andrej were out - the staff didn't give him many (any) minutes which likely indicated his future with Illinois was limited unless he was willing to ride the bench during games and improve during practice.
 
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