Illini Basketball 2026-2027

#126      
I've landed on 4 being the right number for me.

When you do these rankings, what matters most of anything is elite traits (offense / defense). Illinois is most likely the best offense in the country, as Torvik projects. That immediately gives them a high ranking.

Florida and Duke should be top 5 in both, so having Illinois above them I wouldn't agree with at all. (Our defense is likely going to be in the 20s, maybe late teens, especially since we lost our two best defenders in Ben and Kylan)

After those two I don't see any "top 5 in both" teams, but UCONN is right on that cusp, and could be TOP 10 in both. Plus, considering they've beaten us over and over, they should be ahead.

Michigan lost 3 lottery picks. There's too much "projecting" with that roster. And, they lost their coach, so I wouldn't have them ahead of us.

Of course none of this is set in stone on July 1st, as always the case with preseason roster outlooks.
Funny, who would have thought Ben and defense would be used in the same sentence a year ago. Also, I would pick Andre over Ben.
 
#127      
What is this recent trend of pedantic contrarian concern trolling? This seemed to begin right as the season ended and has gotten progressively worse with the same few folks ixnaying any positive developments and is one of the weirdest things I've seen on a team sports forum, probably ever:

- Illinois at #1 in multiple early rankings = rankings are crap because Duke/Florida isn't ahead of us
- Keaton Wagler story = not really a story, everyone always knew he was a star
- Illinois' middle-of-the-pack 3 point shooting = they were a horrid 3 point shooting team
- Positive thing said about Illinois in article = well Duke/Florida/UConn/Louisville/USC have better rosters
- Every fringe 100 recruit that rec's positive summer report = way overhyped, coin it "Keaton Wagler effect"
- Guys at the end of the rotation look really promising = does Lucas Morillo even play basketball? Justin Harmon was better
- Morez Johnson publicly trashes Illinois program/staff = what a great kid he is, and him and Dusty are gonna win 'ships
- Article mentions Mirkovic as NPOY candidate = there's virtually no way he can average more points or rebs this year
- Mirkovic mocked in lottery = too slow and can't jump
- Recruit re-classes = they're not nearly as good as they were yesterday

I probably missed a few, but y'all are exhausting LOL
Sad I can only like this once.

Folks don't seem to remember what summer was like to only have reports that Sherron Collins was really silently committed to being the next Dee Brown or Alex Legion looking like a star in summer practice or how we were a shoo-in for Tim Finke as the next big thing as the future of Illini basketball.

Folks are just... spoiled and SUPER bored.
 
#128      
Funny, who would have thought Ben and defense would be used in the same sentence a year ago. Also, I would pick Andre over Ben.
We should really bring in the coaching staff that helped develop Ben into a + defender and see if they can do the same with our other guys..
 
#131      
We should really bring in the coaching staff that helped develop Ben into a + defender and see if they can do the same with our other guys..
One of the main take aways I had from the 49 second video posted yesterday was BU saying something along the lines of "we should be the best shot-blocking teams in the history of college basketball."

It seems like every year BU takes a piece of something from the prior year's championship team and incorporates it into Illinois' strategy. What made Michigan's team so good last year defensively was they were physically imposing, blocked so many shots and made it really really hard to drive into the lane, so your best shot was trying to shoot over them. Their defensive 2P% was 2nd in the country, block rate was 3rd, and Average 2 point-attempt distance was 4th.

I wonder if this is going to be the defensive strategy this year, making it as hard as possible to get to the paint, and if you do come to the paint, punishing you for it by blocking shots.
 
#132      
One of the main take aways I had from the 49 second video posted yesterday was BU saying something along the lines of "we should be the best shot-blocking teams in the history of college basketball."

It seems like every year BU takes a piece of something from the prior year's championship team and incorporates it into Illinois' strategy. What made Michigan's team so good last year defensively was they were physically imposing, blocked so many shots and made it really really hard to drive into the lane, so your best shot was trying to shoot over them. Their defensive 2P% was 2nd in the country, block rate was 3rd, and Average 2 point-attempt distance was 4th.

I wonder if this is going to be the defensive strategy this year, making it as hard as possible to get to the paint, and if you do come to the paint, punishing you for it by blocking shots.

Definitely agree - you know that watching UConn score 30 points while we could barely hope to just get the ball over Donovan Clingan's arm/head caused a bit of stirring up in that gray matter lol
 
#133      
What is this recent trend of pedantic contrarian concern trolling? This seemed to begin right as the season ended and has gotten progressively worse with the same few folks ixnaying any positive developments and is one of the weirdest things I've seen on a team sports forum, probably ever:

- Illinois at #1 in multiple early rankings = rankings are crap because Duke/Florida isn't ahead of us
- Keaton Wagler story = not really a story, everyone always knew he was a star
- Illinois' middle-of-the-pack 3 point shooting = they were a horrid 3 point shooting team
- Positive thing said about Illinois in article = well Duke/Florida/UConn/Louisville/USC have better rosters
- Every fringe 100 recruit that rec's positive summer report = way overhyped, coin it "Keaton Wagler effect"
- Guys at the end of the rotation look really promising = does Lucas Morillo even play basketball? Justin Harmon was better
- Morez Johnson publicly trashes Illinois program/staff = what a great kid he is, and him and Dusty are gonna win 'ships
- Article mentions Mirkovic as NPOY candidate = there's virtually no way he can average more points or rebs this year
- Mirkovic mocked in lottery = too slow and can't jump
- Recruit re-classes = they're not nearly as good as they were yesterday

I probably missed a few, but y'all are exhausting LOL

The only thing missing is a response to this along the lines of “oh, so now you’re saying I’m not allowed to say anything negative?!”
 
#134      
It seems like it's a little bit of a "Real Housewives of the Illinois Loyalty Board" effect for some. I haven't watched the show really but I kind of get the gist. Comparing it to this board, still 4 months away from what is definitely going to be an awesome season:

You're a group of ultra-rich housewives (sports fans with their team ranked preseason in the top 5 out of 365 teams) who, despite having everything they need, are bored because they don't have much of a role in the generation of the wealth (are 4 months out from the season, have limited access to new information, and nothing better to do really) so, instead of having a great time drinking champagne and being happy about how much you have as a collective, most interactions devolve into bickering and throwing glasses at each other (find ways to pick apart positives, new information, and look to make arguments based on very granular semantics and hypotheticals)

I'm still forming this analogy haha but that's my best shot at explaining it...
:LOL:
Some folks just aren't happy unless they are miserable.
 
#136      
Wait, did I miss Morez trashing us recently? I thought despite typical banter when we played them, there was still a bit of respect between our staff and him. I mean, I hate that he left and am glad he is off to the pros, but ultimately he’s a kid and just gonna hype himself and team up jut like we did (Jake Davis interview, etc)
There are pages of discussion on this. Look back a bit.
 
#137      
One of the main take aways I had from the 49 second video posted yesterday was BU saying something along the lines of "we should be the best shot-blocking teams in the history of college basketball."

It seems like every year BU takes a piece of something from the prior year's championship team and incorporates it into Illinois' strategy. What made Michigan's team so good last year defensively was they were physically imposing, blocked so many shots and made it really really hard to drive into the lane, so your best shot was trying to shoot over them. Their defensive 2P% was 2nd in the country, block rate was 3rd, and Average 2 point-attempt distance was 4th.

I wonder if this is going to be the defensive strategy this year, making it as hard as possible to get to the paint, and if you do come to the paint, punishing you for it by blocking shots.
I think that sorta has been the strategy for the last few years with slight tweaks...

Few years ago was allow no 3 pointers or layups..
Last year it was tweaked to allowing some 3 pointers (bad ones) and no layups...

Rebounding and allowing just one shot has always been a constant.

Now there is a difference between strategy and execution of said strategy, so I guess coach is willing his team to improve on the execution and become an *elite* blocking team.
 
#138      
Best comparison for Mirk by far is Jokovic. Obviously a poor man's Jokovic.

Tomi as a FR looked like a poor man's Tim Duncan. Last year, not sure.
Most underrated story line for me next year is Tomi playing more like freshmen Tomi OR even better with the physical transition.

It’s almost like we are all looking for the next Wagler in Coleman or expecting Andrej/Mirk to make that AA leap while we sleep on Tomi who can take us to the next level.
 
#140      
It seems like it's a little bit of a "Real Housewives of the Illinois Loyalty Board" effect for some. I haven't watched the show really but I kind of get the gist. Comparing it to this board, still 4 months away from what is definitely going to be an awesome season:

You're a group of ultra-rich housewives (sports fans with their team ranked preseason in the top 5 out of 365 teams) who, despite having everything they need, are bored because they don't have much of a role in the generation of the wealth (are 4 months out from the season, have limited access to new information, and nothing better to do really) so, instead of having a great time drinking champagne and being happy about how much you have as a collective, most interactions devolve into bickering and throwing glasses at each other (find ways to pick apart positives, new information, and look to make arguments based on very granular semantics and hypotheticals)

I'm still forming this analogy haha but that's my best shot at explaining it...
My view is that there's always people that would beyotch even if you hung em with a new rope.
 
#141      
Most underrated story line for me next year is Tomi playing more like freshmen Tomi OR even better with the physical transition.
He won't have the usage and/or shots he did his freshman year. It's a much more talented roster with Vaaks / Coleman / Stoj / Mirk around him.

Tomislav 2025 | 2026 shot volume:

4.8 3pt attempts/game | 4.7 3pt attempts/game

5.1 2pt attempts/game | 3.3 2pt attempts/game

2.0 FT attempts/game | 1.6 FT attempts/game

9.9 FGA/game | 8.0 FGA/game

You can't expect a guy to have the same production, if he doesn't have the same role and isn't as much of a focal point.

Now, can he shoot 33-34% from 3 instead of 31%? Absolutely, and I think that would help a lot.

Honestly, I'd just like to see him rebound better. There were too many 1-3 rebound games from him last year.
 
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#142      
Most underrated story line for me next year is Tomi playing more like freshmen Tomi OR even better with the physical transition.

It’s almost like we are all looking for the next Wagler in Coleman or expecting Andrej/Mirk to make that AA leap while we sleep on Tomi who can take us to the next level.
Certainly, Tomi can play better than he did last year. If he gets stronger and stays healthy, he will.

As far as "leap" expectations, we have typically seen them with guys in their second year in the program, which may explain why Mirk and Stoj tend to be the favorites to make one. Certainly, if Z has added the muscle reports suggest, he can affect the game in new ways, too.

Tomi's results last year may be explained by nagging injuries, which I suspect were an issue. He has a ton of talent. I do think there is more there that can be unlocked. Same with his brother.

Personally, I think Mirk just has the "it" factor... Great raw tools & wildly competitive.
 
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#144      
He won't have the usage and/or shots he did his freshman year. It's a much more talented roster with Vaaks / Coleman / Stoj / Mirk around him.

Tomislav 2025 | 2026 shot volume:

4.8 3pt attempts/game | 4.7 3pt attempts/game

5.1 2pt attempts/game | 3.3 2pt attempts/game

2.0 FT attempts/game | 1.6 FT attempts/game

9.9 FGA/game | 8.0 FGA/game

You can't expect a guy to have the same production, if he doesn't have the same role and isn't as much of a focal point.

Now, can he shoot 33-34% from 3 instead of 31%? Absolutely, and I think that would help a lot.

Honestly, I'd just like to see him rebound better. There were too many 1-3 rebound games from him last year.
I agree that his improvement likely won't show up with massive number increases, likely no one's will. Fewer mistakes, capitalizing on more opportunities, and staying fresher to defend and rebound, though added strength and conditioning will be more indicative of what I would look for.

We've got a lot of hungry mouths to feed regarding counting stats.
 
#145      
I agree that his improvement likely won't show up with massive number increases, likely no one's will. Fewer mistakes, capitalizing on more opportunities, and staying fresher to defend and rebound, though added strength and conditioning will be more indicative of what I would look for.

We've got a lot of hungry mouths to feed regarding counting stats.
Agreed 💯
 
#146      
Strength of the elite 8 and final four team is everybody worked for the best shot the team could get.

We did not have any people going 1 of 5 (Mathew Mayer, Tre White) wanted to get their points. Andrej could have but was willing to defer to when the team needed him.

I am confident that brad will enforce passing and working the shot clock. Vaaks will have to learn to be facilitator. Coleman and Morillo looked like unselfish players on TV,

I am in SoCal and we are still waiting for Luka to take the step and make players around him better as opposed to scoring 40 points per game going 1 of 5 and not playing defense.
 
#147      
What is this recent trend of pedantic contrarian concern trolling? This seemed to begin right as the season ended and has gotten progressively worse with the same few folks ixnaying any positive developments and is one of the weirdest things I've seen on a team sports forum, probably ever:

- Illinois at #1 in multiple early rankings = rankings are crap because Duke/Florida isn't ahead of us
- Keaton Wagler story = not really a story, everyone always knew he was a star
- Illinois' middle-of-the-pack 3 point shooting = they were a horrid 3 point shooting team
- Positive thing said about Illinois in article = well Duke/Florida/UConn/Louisville/USC have better rosters
- Every fringe 100 recruit that rec's positive summer report = way overhyped, coin it "Keaton Wagler effect"
- Guys at the end of the rotation look really promising = does Lucas Morillo even play basketball? Justin Harmon was better
- Morez Johnson publicly trashes Illinois program/staff = what a great kid he is, and him and Dusty are gonna win 'ships
- Article mentions Mirkovic as NPOY candidate = there's virtually no way he can average more points or rebs this year
- Mirkovic mocked in lottery = too slow and can't jump
- Recruit re-classes = they're not nearly as good as they were yesterday

I probably missed a few, but y'all are exhausting LOL
This one was me. I have to own that take as potentially a poor one. :)
 
#148      
We did not have any people going 1 of 5 (Mathew Mayer, Tre White) wanted to get their points. Andrej could have but was willing to defer to when the team needed him.
Don't think Tre White was like that. Sure he might've left for some of those reasons, but on the court in his one season, I don't recall it.

He played primarily off the ball, was really good on those corner threes, and crashed the glass. Brad used to talk about his ability to find the "easy" points without having to run much for him.

Mayer's FG% was 40.7% while Tre White was 50.7%.
I am in SoCal and we are still waiting for Luka to take the step and make players around him better as opposed to scoring 40 points per game going 1 of 5 and not playing defense.
Luka was 3rd in the NBA in assists/game.
 
#149      
Strength of the elite 8 and final four team is everybody worked for the best shot the team could get.

We did not have any people going 1 of 5 (Mathew Mayer, Tre White) wanted to get their points. Andrej could have but was willing to defer to when the team needed him.

I am confident that brad will enforce passing and working the shot clock. Vaaks will have to learn to be facilitator. Coleman and Morillo looked like unselfish players on TV,

I am in SoCal and we are still waiting for Luka to take the step and make players around him better as opposed to scoring 40 points per game going 1 of 5 and not playing defense.
Good luck with Luka. He never did in Dallas that's for sure. Still was a horrible trade though that us fans have not forgotten.
 
#150      
Sad I can only like this once.

Folks don't seem to remember what summer was like to only have reports that Sherron Collins was really silently committed to being the next Dee Brown or Alex Legion looking like a star in summer practice or how we were a shoo-in for Tim Finke as the next big thing as the future of Illini basketball.

Folks are just... spoiled and SUPER bored.
As a fanbase, we're passionate, which is great, but the pendulum swings way too far in both directions. If we win, there's 250 posts and happiness. If we lose, there are 800 posts and everyone should be fired.

This off-season.....there's nothing to complain about. We're coming off of a FF and an E8 two years prior. No coaching debates whatsoever.

With regards to recruiting/NIL, we retained everyone targeted, we brought in a big time transfer and the #1 rated recruits in IL, MO and WI. Nothing to be negative about there.

So, what's left? Well, we settled on the 9th man debate and why Petrovic didn't succeed here, which I believe initially led to the 9th man debate.

Our fanbase is therapist's dream.
 
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