2026 FIFA World Cup Thread

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Illini92and96
the juiceman cometh said:
If this was basketball and I was proposing that OT be decided by having the shortest player from each team wear identical mascot suits and engage in a dunk contest judged by 5 fans chosen at random by seat number, and the winner is revealed by tearing the mask off the winner's costume Scooby Doo style, how seriously would you take that proposal?
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Juice, it’s just people having fun thinking of ways to create more action and resolve games without getting to penalty kicks, which is really not tied to the game. Penalty kicks in soccer would be like a 5 free throw shoot off in basketball.

Basketball has an attempt to score every 30ish seconds, and players can come out when they get tired. Soccer OT often turns into a bunch of tired folks trying to avoid a mistake and a counterattack goal. 2 hours of 0-0 or 1-1 can be painful to watch. Like a 3-0 football game or a Bruce Webber era Penn State hoops game.
 
#478      
myspace
Tremendous, brave changes by Tuchel in that match. Fantastic fun, hate to see Norway go home.
 
#481      
wpr
It was pretty impressive the players from both of those northern countries could go to Miami and play the AET 2 hour game. They are elite athletes.
 
#485      
the juiceman cometh
The 2nd yellow against Embolo may seem harsh, but that was absolutely clear simulation, he threw himself to the ground like he'd been shot with zero contact. The rule book is clear that simulation should get you a yellow card. If anything, I don't think enough players get carded for simulation, which is why it's still so rampant in the game.
 
#486      
Second place is 1st loser
Man, the referees and their cards strike again in the Argentina vs Switzerland match. Absolutely zero reason to give the Swiss player a yellow there.

I have watched guys for almost a month, falling down for no reason, pretending they were shot, just to get up and sprint the rest of the game.

Now, the ref switches yellows and the Swiss player gets sent to the locker room for doing nothing differently from anything that has gone on in any of these matches.

FIFA is doing everything possible to get Messi into the finals.
 
#487      
Second place is 1st loser
the juiceman cometh said:
The 2nd yellow against Embolo may seem harsh, but that was absolutely clear simulation, he threw himself to the ground like he'd been shot with zero contact. The rule book is clear that simulation should get you a yellow card. If anything, I don't think enough players get carded for simulation, which is why it's still so rampant in the game.
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You posted the same time I did and I'm sorry, it didn't just seem harsh, it was brutal. He needed to make it right to pull the yellow from the Argentine player and let the play end there. You don't alter the entire tournament, when all these guys do is "simulate" fouls. Every soccer game is a comedy of players acting like they've been shot to draw a cards. It's what drives people nuts, yet they pick the 70th minute in a tie game, in the quarterfinal....to enforce it?

The only option that the Swiss have now is to play defense through the rest of regulation and two OT halves and get to a penalty shootout, which you hate.

The ref has to understand time, score and severity. On the heels of what happened to Egypt, this is highly suspect.
 
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the juiceman cometh
Second place is 1st loser said:
Man, the referees and their cards strike again in the Argentina vs Switzerland match. Absolutely zero reason to give the Swiss player a yellow there.

I have watched guys for almost a month, falling down for no reason, pretending they were shot, just to get up and sprint the rest of the game.

Now, the ref switches yellows and the Swiss player gets sent to the locker room for doing nothing differently from anything that has gone on in any of these matches.

FIFA is doing everything possible to get Messi into the finals.
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It is by rule a yellow card. Once you determine he took a dive there the ref literally cannot do anything except give him a yellow card. That's the rule.

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Second place is 1st loser said:
The ref has to understand time, score and severity. On the heels of what happened to Egypt, this is highly suspect.
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Just can't disagree more. If it's a yellow card it's a yellow card and it doesn't matter when in the game it happens, what the score is, or if the guy already has a yellow. Drives me crazy when a player already on a yellow gets special treatment because the ref is too scared to send someone off. It's Embolo's job to remember he already has a card and keep himself from getting another, not the ref's.
 
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Fly Illini Fly!
the juiceman cometh said:
Just can't disagree more. If it's a yellow card it's a yellow card and it doesn't matter when in the game it happens, what the score is, or if the guy already has a yellow. Drives me crazy when a player already on a yellow gets special treatment because the ref is too scared to send someone off. It's Embolo's job to remember he already has a card and keep himself from getting another, not the ref's.
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The announcer said that if a yellow hadn't originally been given to the Argentina player, then there would be no yellow given to the Swiss player following video review.

Because they originally gave Argentina a yellow, that yellow now has to be flipped. But if no yellow was ever given, then it'd stay 11 vs 11.

I think that's what the rules guy said.
 
#490      
Second place is 1st loser
the juiceman cometh said:
It is by rule a yellow card. Once you determine he took a dive there the ref literally cannot do anything except give him a yellow card. That's the rule.

Simulation | IFAB

Simulationnull
www.footballrules.com www.footballrules.com



Just can't disagree more. If it's a yellow card it's a yellow card and it doesn't matter when in the game it happens, what the score is, or if the guy already has a yellow. Drives me crazy when a player already on a yellow gets special treatment because the ref is too scared to send someone off. It's Embolo's job to remember he already has a card and keep himself from getting another, not the ref's.
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I don't mind enforcing the rule, but man.....enforce it all tournament! Every game would have 20 yellow cards if they enforced that particular rule. Every, single, game. I'm all about calling the game strictly by the book, but if you're going to do that and not allow for any deviation......it needed to start in game 1 and not minute 70 into game #125(or whatever it is).
 
#492      
the juiceman cometh
Fly Illini Fly! said:
The announcer said that if a yellow hadn't originally been given to the Argentina player, then there would be no yellow given to the Swiss player following video review.

Because they originally gave Argentina a yellow, that yellow now has to be flipped. But if no yellow was ever given, then it'd stay 11 vs 11.

I think that's what the rules guy said.
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Actually, I believe what he meant was that if there hadn't been a yellow there wouldn't be a video review. They don't review common fouls. But yellow cards can be reviewed. Once they review the video and see that Embolo dived, there is no choice but to give him a card.

This is also the difference with the other situations where someone appears to dive and nothing is done (when you see the ref do the "get up" motion). There's always some plausible deniability that "hey, you weren't fouled but maybe you tripped over your own feet or fell due to some legal jostling or some contact following a legal tackle." No plausible deniability in this situation. Clear dive, clearly meant to fool the ref.
 
#494      
Fly Illini Fly!
What’s the definition of “diving”

Messi was awarded a free kick for this:

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#495      
Fly Illini Fly!
These semis are gonna be terrific.

Last time they were bad: Croatia—Argentina and France—Morocco. Neither game was ever in doubt.
 
#499      
blackdog
the juiceman cometh said:
That's a foul. You can't just impede an attacker by cutting off his path, you have to stop the ball not the player. That was the correct call and in no universe was that a dive.
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Yea thats a foul 100 out of 100 times at every level.

It sucks for the Swiss the rule is written the way it was but once they went to review it was obvious what would happen. The only thing that can be argued is why ref even gave a yellow in the first place.
 
#500      
OrangeBlue98
Second place is 1st loser said:
You posted the same time I did and I'm sorry, it didn't just seem harsh, it was brutal. He needed to make it right to pull the yellow from the Argentine player and let the play end there. You don't alter the entire tournament, when all these guys do is "simulate" fouls. Every soccer game is a comedy of players acting like they've been shot to draw a cards. It's what drives people nuts, yet they pick the 70th minute in a tie game, in the quarterfinal....to enforce it?

The only option that the Swiss have now is to play defense through the rest of regulation and two OT halves and get to a penalty shootout, which you hate.

The ref has to understand time, score and severity. On the heels of what happened to Egypt, this is highly suspect.
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The only issue is that the Laws and current VAR protocol tie the officials’ hands here. This was reviewed under the “mistaken identity” clause. This means if you identify one player getting a yellow and the other player should get it because of simulation, then you can’t make up something to get out of the yellow for the Swiss player.

FIFA made this a black and white, objective thing. If you card the defender and you then have “mistaken identity” by definition you have to give the caution to the correctly identified player. I think this is a “good in theory, bad in practice” application, but it’s in the Laws and must be followed as written.

Had the referee not carded the Argentina player, nothing happens. So he blows a call and then has to give a card that altered the course of the game
 
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