Illini in the Pros (Basketball)

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BretMyBeachHouse
Emerson Bigguns said:
I'm sure some narratives were being formed after his first game. That 3rd quarter went a long way in shutting those down.
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We still have hot takes here even after last night. Clipper fans will be very happy in year 4. He'll be a catch and shoot guy.

He's got uncanny court sense. Clipper fans will be very happy in November of this year. They're going to see immediate improvement on their team.

He'll be on one of the first two all-rookie teams. People draw the line for "superstar" at their own discretion. But I think he'll be an All-Star by year 5.
 
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OrangeBlue98
Jon said:
That's a 20 ball for Keaton. We back.
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#282      
FrankNitty30
ejam21 said:
Just had on ESPN and saw the highlights

Showed all dybantsa and Acuff. Not a single riley highlihgt despite scoring 32 on 60+% shooting ha. Dybantsta was 1-6 from 3 but they made sure to show the 1 he hit. SMH
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This. Absolute journalists malpractice. I was stunned. Not ONE &?-:&$@ WORD about Riley……
 
#283      
NarrowJ
EmeraldCityIllini said:
Mine was mostly a joke about how Kaluma was almost an Illini and “legend” of this board. I’m not overly interested in over analyzing nba summer league.

But 10 and 5 and being a -22 (with 7 fouls at halftime) when the other guy you’re defending is 36/5 and beats you by 20+, you’ve been dominated.

I am starting to wonder if you’re Austin Brown or Aaron Mintz though.
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I knew the MoReZ jOhNsOn DeFeNsE tEaM would be quick to reply
 
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NarrowJ
PleaseMakeABowlGame said:
He has the best defensive ability of any player in the draft. Extremely switchable and versatile, and plays very hard. You’ll never question his effort.

Usually those guys succeed.
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Has great potential there, but currently he isn't even the best defensive player of the Michigan guys that went in the draft (Aday Mara)
 
#288      
EmeraldCityIllini
PleaseMakeABowlGame said:
He has the best defensive ability of any player in the draft. Extremely switchable and versatile, and plays very hard. You’ll never question his effort.

Usually those guys succeed.
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The defensive ability is for sure what got him drafted high - we spent too much time debating offensive fit as the difference.

But, in today's NBA the centers are the anchors, so I'd say Mara probably. I think the defensive upside with Wilson is also immense - longer, quicker, bouncier, and even more switchable. He's a stud.
 
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Fly Illini Fly!
NarrowJ said:
Has great potential there, but currently he isn't even the best defensive player of the Michigan guys that went in the draft (Aday Mara)
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In terms of rim protector, obviously Mara is most polarizing. But overall defensively, Morez and Lendeborg were better last year (not to say Mara wasn't GREAT; that whole frontcourt was monstrous).
 
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NarrowJ
Fly Illini Fly! said:
In terms of rim protector, obviously Mara is most polarizing. But overall defensively, Morez and Lendeborg were better last year (not to say Mara wasn't GREAT; that whole frontcourt was monstrous).
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Dear Mr. Austin Brown and/or Aaron Mintz as the case may be:

Mara was better than Morez in pretty much every single defensive metric: blocks (by a wide margin), DBPM (also by a wide margin, Mara led the entire country), blocks (again, by a giant margin), DRtg, and even personal fouls while Mara was also just as good of a rebounder.

Sorry, but it isn't really close here and thus no real conversation to be had.
 
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#293      
EmpoweredIllini
aday mara changed the entire game when he was in there

opposing offense rim percentages were like 20-25 percent lower with mara on the floor than with him off... morez a fine defender but didn't change the game in this way

as someone else said even lendeborg mightve been better too since morez wasnt guarding opposing point guards like yaxel did unless out of absolute necessity
 
#294      
Fly Illini Fly!
EmpoweredIllini said:
opposing offense rim percentages were like 20-25 percent lower with mara on the floor than with him off... morez a fine defender but didn't change the game in this way
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20-25 percent difference would be completely absurd, and no it wasn't that dramatic.

Opponents shot 54.7 percent at the rim when Mara was on the court, versus 60.6 percent at the rim when he was off.

Still very good.

The best Mara stat though is that teams took only 20.4 percent of their shots at the rim when Mara was on the court. Amongst the best marks in the country.
 
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PleaseMakeABowlGame
NarrowJ said:
Has great potential there, but currently he isn't even the best defensive player of the Michigan guys that went in the draft (Aday Mara)
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Morez is who connected Michigan's defense, and felt most indispensable.

Mara was a pure drop coverage big (and was very good at it). Yaxel was a tremendous point of attack guy.

Morez was kind of a blend of both their traits. His ability to switch and be versatile is what made them elite.
 
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EmpoweredIllini
PleaseMakeABowlGame said:
Morez is who connected Michigan's defense, and felt most indispensable.

Mara was a pure drop coverage big (and was very good at it). Yaxel was a tremendous point of attack guy.

Morez was kind of a blend of both their traits. His ability to switch and be versatile is what made them elite.
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he still cant guard well, had 7 personal fouls in 28 minutes the other night while his counterpart (who is a no-name undrafted guy) put up a monster game with 36 points

going back to original comment of 'best defensive player in the draft' (which everyone knows is silly) --> just because you can kinda sorta guard a college sg/sf on switches doesnt mean youre going to be able to keep up with nba caliber initiators
 
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Fly Illini Fly!
EmeraldCityIllini said:
But, in today's NBA the centers are the anchors, so I'd say Mara probably. I think the defensive upside with Wilson is also immense - longer, quicker, bouncier, and even more switchable. He's a stud.
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Morez was way better than Wilson last year defensively. Way too many times Wilson got beat on off ball actions / back cuts.

The measurements for both are 6"9 barefoot, but Morez has a 7"3 wingspan compared to 7"0 for Wilson.

Wilson is more enticing because of his offensive game. Much better passer, shooter, ball handler. He could round into being a #1 option.
 
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NarrowJ
PleaseMakeABowlGame said:
Morez is who connected Michigan's defense, and felt most indispensable.

Mara was a pure drop coverage big (and was very good at it). Yaxel was a tremendous point of attack guy.

Morez was kind of a blend of both their traits. His ability to switch and be versatile is what made them elite.
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Having that rim protection behind him may have helped. He got absolutely torched the other night by a nobody and its a good thing there are no DQs for personal fouls in summer league, because he had 7 of them. Its just one game, obviously, but we can probably slow down with 'best defender in the draft'.
 
#299      
3 point girl
NarrowJ said:
Dear Mr. Austin Brown and/or Aaron Mintz as the case may be:

Mara was better than Morez in pretty much every single defensive metric: blocks (by a wide margin), DBPM (also by a wide margin, Mara led the entire country), blocks (again, by a giant margin), DRtg, and even personal fouls while Mara was also just as good of a rebounder.

Sorry, but it isn't really close here and thus no real conversation to be had.
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The Mavericks were idiots not to pick him.
 
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