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Fly Illini Fly!
the juiceman cometh said:
And this is why I've never really warmed to the 5-for-5 rule. Just seems incredibly unfair when it plays out like this, or in the case of a guy who has terrible injury luck and loses multiple years to injury. I get that people didn't like how inexact the medical redshirts rule was, that there was too much gray area. But I think the ability to function in the gray can be useful. People love bright line rules in theory, but when actually implemented the results often look harsh.
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I don’t think the theory of redshirts and multiple years in case of injury, was the wrong idea.

The NCAA needs to get out of lawsuits though. For that matter, there was only one solution.
 
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fuddrules

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aaeismacgychel
bluemountain said:
No way....Tepper was far worse. He inherited a really strong program from Mackovic and ran it into the ground. An average coach would have won 2-3 games more a year than Tepper did.

Beckman was a clown, but he inherited a mediocre team and left a team in similar shape when he was fired - his last 2 seasons were very comparable to Zook's last 2 seasons.

Moeller was just about as bad as Tepper. He inherited a solid program from Blackman and within 2 years we were playing a 0-0 tie against the worst team in D-1
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To get to this conclusion you really have to ignore the absolute reputational mess and legal bind Beckman put us in. There's a difference between being a bad coach making a great team mediocre, and a coach that makes your mediocre team a laughingstock and your program a poison pill. Tepper wasn't good but you give Beckman the same exact conditions and he almost certainly would've gotten our entire athletic program the death penalty during that time with how big the microscope was on us at that point.

The fact that we got some credibility back to the program and the NCAA backed off a bit after the Beckman tenure is more a testament to how Lovie cleaned up the toxicity surrounding the program than anything Beckman did or left us with.
 
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WolfpackIllini
(takes a good gulp of orange koolaid)
You know, we will have 5 games under our belt when Oregon comes to Champaign.
We should be pretty gelled by then. If we are healthy, and get a bounce or two,
hey, anything can happen. So, I like our chances! Exciting times!
(returns to koolaid)
 
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FlyingIlliniFan
aaeismacgychel said:
To get to this conclusion you really have to ignore the absolute reputational mess and legal bind Beckman put us in. There's a difference between being a bad coach making a great team mediocre, and a coach that makes your mediocre team a laughingstock and your program a poison pill. Tepper wasn't good but you give Beckman the same exact conditions and he almost certainly would've gotten our entire athletic program the death penalty during that time with how big the microscope was on us at that point.

The fact that we got some credibility back to the program and the NCAA backed off a bit after the Beckman tenure is more a testament to how Lovie cleaned up the toxicity surrounding the program than anything Beckman did or left us with.
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Lovie put in a skeleton of a good organization in pretty short order, which was a remarkable feat, I thought...He just didn't actually fill it up with, y'know, people. Recruited as if the roster limit was 55, not 85, and didn't bother to finish building a coaching staff before he got bored with the whole endeavor. But the change in professionalism and organization was a non-trivial step at a time that was not a foregone conclusion.
 
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lstewart53x3
WolfpackIllini said:
(takes a good gulp of orange koolaid)
You know, we will have 5 games under our belt when Oregon comes to Champaign.
We should be pretty gelled by then. If we are healthy, and get a bounce or two,
hey, anything can happen. So, I like our chances! Exciting times!
(returns to koolaid)
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Using SP+, Oregon’s #2 at +29.2 and we’re #28 at +10.4, so we’ll likely be two touchdown dogs. There’s as big of a gap between Oregon and us and as there is between us and #100 Temple.
 
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bluemountain
aaeismacgychel said:
To get to this conclusion you really have to ignore the absolute reputational mess and legal bind Beckman put us in. There's a difference between being a bad coach making a great team mediocre, and a coach that makes your mediocre team a laughingstock and your program a poison pill. Tepper wasn't good but you give Beckman the same exact conditions and he almost certainly would've gotten our entire athletic program the death penalty during that time with how big the microscope was on us at that point.

The fact that we got some credibility back to the program and the NCAA backed off a bit after the Beckman tenure is more a testament to how Lovie cleaned up the toxicity surrounding the program than anything Beckman did or left us with.
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Beckman was a mess, but holy s***, saying Lovie brought credibility back to the program is quite a stretch.

And for all intents and purposes, Tepper self-imposed the death penalty on the program with his ineptitude - he didn't earn the nickname CDP for nothing
 
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purcy51
Mr. Tibbs said:
I agree about Beckman , but Tepper took a program with really strong recruiting / records & at his firing we were crap . we were really good when Tepper took over . but not for long.
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I suppose there could be some recency bias involved with my thought process here...its been a long time, but at least Tepper was professional compared to Beckman. And then there's the player abuse from Beckman. That to me is the clincher.
 
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Mr. Tibbs
I’d like to see all the OL guys get into a sweet corn eating contest - see if any can get up to a dozen or so
 
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