2017 Basketball Transfer Thread

Deleted member 10676 · Apr 17, 2017

westcoastillini said:
Sounds like Cuonzo just doesn't want him

He knows where Charlie is going and this is pro-active PR for Mizzou fans.
I like how he says he wishes he'd stayed at California. He knows his rep in Cal is bad enough, plus he's not relishing facing Charlie in Braggin Rights games without Porter and whoever other one-and-done's he can get there this year.

Deleted member 10676 · Apr 17, 2017

Bailey said:
I wonder how that's going to sit with the Irvins

I don't think Cuonzo will be doing much recruiting in Chicago for the near future. "You say whatever gets Charlie to go all the way out to Calfornia and a year later you leave him flat?" Not a good look.

TownieMatt · Apr 17, 2017

miketherevelator said:
He knows where Charlie is going and this is pro-active PR for Mizzou fans.
I like how he says he wishes he'd stayed at California. He knows his rep in Cal is bad enough, plus he's not relishing facing Charlie in Braggin Rights games without Porter and whoever other one-and-done's he can get there this year.

I very much like this scenario :thumb:

Can someone fill me in on the typical timeline for these things? I'm guessing the end of the semester is important for transferring. Luckily it appears Cal is on semesters so Charlie will only need to be out there another month or so to finish his academics (a lot of west coast schools are on quarters that don't end until mid-June).

sacraig · Apr 17, 2017

Bailey said:
I wonder how that's going to sit with the Irvins

"You should have hired Jimmy Collins."

zpfled · Apr 17, 2017

miketherevelator said:
I don't think Cuonzo will be doing much recruiting in Chicago for the near future. "You say whatever gets Charlie to go all the way out to Calfornia and a year later you leave him flat?" Not a good look.

I think Cuonzo already has some ground to make up in Chicago, based on some hearsay I heard said that he went behind some people's backs in Moore's recruitment initially.

zpfled · Apr 17, 2017

aluma said:
I believe you but I'm not even sure what this means? Could you clarify?

That's pretty much word for word what I was told.

I'm guessing it means that he didn't work with AAU coaches in some way that was expected, or something along those lines.

Hey, I said it was hearsay

TownieMatt · Apr 17, 2017

zpfled said:
That's pretty much word for word what I was told.

I'm guessing it means that he didn't work with AAU coaches in some way that was expected, or something along those lines.

Hey, I said it was hearsay

I know in many cases Chicago AAU coaches (the usual suspects) expected to speak with college coaches about their players before coaches reach out directly to players. Those AAU coaches also expect to be heavily involved as the recruitment moves along. The prevalence of this for top players is a big reason Chicago recruiting has the reputation it does, and why some coaches are hesitant to recruit the city.

zpfled · Apr 17, 2017

TownieMatt said:
I know in many cases Chicago AAU coaches (the usual suspects) expected to speak with college coaches about their players before coaches reach out directly to players. Those AAU coaches also expect to be heavily involved as the recruitment moves along. The prevalence of this for top players is a big reason Chicago recruiting has the reputation it does, and why some coaches are hesitant to recruit the city.

This phenomenon is annoying when your coach isn't playing the game.

It'll be great if BU really has started out on the right foot with the top AAU coaches and can get a recruiting boost because he scratched the right backs.

I'm not expecting Illinois to magically become the destination for all top Chicago talent, but I think it's realistic to expect us to see a little improvement in our Chicago recruiting performance.

Also, I really hope that Cuonzo has an uphill battle to fight in Chicago. He's a good recruiter and I'd love to see as many roadblocks in his way when it comes to Illinois talent.

Seagee · Apr 17, 2017

IlliniBrave75 said:
“We will not be recruiting Charlie Moore,”...“I wish he could have stayed at Cal, but we’ve got two good guards committed here and we’re excited about each of them.”

So does this mean Cuonzo isn't interested in Mark Smith anymore either...?

Doubt anyone is believing this bs.

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CoalCity · Apr 18, 2017

Seagee said:
So does this mean Cuonzo isn't interested in Mark Smith anymore either...?

Doubt anyone is believing this bs.

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I think it's just another spin job by lying cheating Cuonzo. Charlie probably told him he wasn't interested in playing in counzo's slow down grinding offense so Counzo responds with we're not going to recruit him to save face. Just like he "turned down" the Illinois job even though it was never offered to him.

FiveStar · Apr 18, 2017

CoalCity said:
Just like he "turned down" the Illinois job even though it was never offered to him.

This still makes me chuckle. When you see who we ended up with and how much we're paying him, it's just so obvious what CM said is not true. People these days...

Hoppy2105 · Apr 18, 2017

FiveStar said:
This still makes me chuckle. When you see who we ended up with and how much we're paying him, it's just so obvious what CM said is not true. People these days...

Would it damage Josh Whitman to come out and blatantly say he never formally offered CM the job? I'm not sure if it would hurt his reputation but man would I love it. Not only that, but it would truly put Miznoz and CM in their place under us in the pecking order.

Who knows, maybe it'll help with recruiting as well? Speaking of which, any word on the Pitt Grad transfer or the ISU one?

Combo · Apr 18, 2017

zpfled said:
This phenomenon is annoying when your coach isn't playing the game.

It'll be great if BU really has started out on the right foot with the top AAU coaches and can get a recruiting boost because he scratched the right backs.

I'm not expecting Illinois to magically become the destination for all top Chicago talent, but I think it's realistic to expect us to see a little improvement in our Chicago recruiting performance.

Also, I really hope that Cuonzo has an uphill battle to fight in Chicago. He's a good recruiter and I'd love to see as many roadblocks in his way when it comes to Illinois talent.

No particular school will be THE destination for Chicago talent. That's not the way big city recruiting works. The idea of a "pipeline" from a big city to a specific school is not realistic.

Obelix · Apr 18, 2017

FiveStar said:
This still makes me chuckle. When you see who we ended up with and how much we're paying him, it's just so obvious what CM said is not true. People these days...

Many writers and analysts said that, so it is not the case that CM made a statement about what Illinois offered.

If Whitman wanted to deny that, it should have been done long time ago.

mattcoldagelli · Apr 18, 2017

Obelix said:
Many writers and analysts said that, so it is not the case that CM made a statement about what Illinois offered.

Kind of a distinction without a difference. Where do you think those guys get that information?

Obelix · Apr 18, 2017

mattcoldagelli said:
Kind of a distinction without a difference. Where do you think those guys get that information?

Could come from many sources, I do not think it is necessarily a single source. Whitman could easily feed the information to analysts that he did not offer him. If he wanted to do so, he would/should have done it, could have even made a statement, even without mentioning names.

It is also not the case that anonymous posters on Illini message boards have better sources on what and who Whitman contacted and offered. But if feels good to say that we did not get rejected.

At the end of the day, it does not matter, even if we did offer Cuonzo Martin. It is irrelevant, they have their coach and we have ours. Performance on the job (i.e., BU's performance) is the determinant of success.

mattcoldagelli · Apr 18, 2017

Obelix said:
Whitman could easily feed the information to analysts that he did not offer him.

I feel like that happened?

Obelix · Apr 18, 2017

mattcoldagelli said:
I feel like that happened?

I do not know, there were some national analysts/writers (meaning no specific bias or association with either Illinois or Mizzou) who reported the Cuonzo offer, some even with specific figures and details. I did not see them reporting a Whitman denial, although it may have happened.

As I said, at the end of the day, it is irrelevant. They have their coach and we have ours. Success on the job is the determinant, not whether you offered or contacted others.

zpfled · Apr 18, 2017

Combo said:
No particular school will be THE destination for Chicago talent. That's not the way big city recruiting works. The idea of a "pipeline" from a big city to a specific school is not realistic.

Uh, yeah, I know...that's why I said that I don't expect it.

bert1991 · Apr 18, 2017

PlayAZ said:
http://www.wandtv.com/story/3515946...re-discuss-transfer-new-illini-staff-and-more

It could happen....probably...

http://triblive.com/sports/college/...lege-standout-simons-no-longer-headed-to-pitt

I like hearing "he's like a brother to me" when Chin was brought up...thought he only reserved those kind of comments for Evans or any other non-Illini affiliated individual. Also, can we hire the WAND reporter? I've seen him in 2 separate Nick Irvin interviews and he knows how to cuddle up to him

Seagee · Apr 18, 2017

Obelix said:
If Whitman wanted to deny that, it should have been done long time ago.

He did. Back on March 15th, when rumors were swirling that Monty Williams had turned us down, Whitman publicly stated that he "has not offered anyone yet." Think it was in a Tweet.

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Obelix · Apr 18, 2017

Seagee said:
He did. Back on March 15th, when rumors were swirling that Monty Williams had turned us down, Whitman publicly stated that he "has not offered anyone yet." Think it was in a Tweet.

Many people tweeted it, not Whitman. But the Whitman statement was with regard to Monty Williams reports (not Cuonzo) and was actually made during the Bollant firing PC before the Cuonzo hiring at Mizzou and before the reports on Illini offer to Cuonzo surfaced.

oldman · Apr 18, 2017

Not uncommon for a prospective employee to walk away from a conversation with a prospective employer thinking the conversation went well and the job is in the bag, given the prospect's inflated opinion of himself, even though there was no actual offer. An employer's courteous encouragement is not the same as a job offer.

IlliniBrave75 · Apr 18, 2017

NCAA creates Division I Transfer Working Group to review transfer rules

“Transfer issues can be very complex. This group is comprised of experienced leaders who will examine the issue with the best interest of student-athletes in mind,” Sell said. “We look forward to collaborating on this issue with the more than 50 presidents and chancellors who serve on both the DI Board of Directors and the Presidential Forum, who will offer their top-level perspective.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaa-c...ng-group-review-transfer-rules-203900929.html

Jay Bilas‏Verified account @JayBilas 5h5 hours ago
NCAA Committee on transfers? NCAA says players are students. Students may transfer anywhere, without restrictions.

Jay Bilas‏Verified account @JayBilas 5h5 hours ago
If truly students and not employees, there can be no restrictions whatsoever on transfers. Meeting adjourned.

Adnarel · Apr 18, 2017

I presume the official explanation for making student-athletes wait a year is so they don't transfer willy-nilly and bounce from school to school.

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