Every offense works with loads of talent and an abundance of chemistry. This thread wouldn't even exist in its current state if groce had those 2 things.
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Every offense works with loads of talent and an abundance of chemistry. This thread wouldn't even exist in its current state if groce had those 2 things.
This. That's why I'm higher on Cuonzo than most. I think he will get the most talented players here the quickest. He's been successful recruiting at a high level. His results at Cal and Tennessee might not be jaw dropping but let's face it, his resources at both those places are pretty limited. He got Cal to their highest seed ever in the dance.. Illinois is a place where he can really shine.
I miss Augie slipping screens for a dunk.
I can't remember the last time we had something like that under Groce.
Maybe Meyers did it a few a time I'm not sure,
Illiniwek06
- N of I-80
Challenge. I bet Groce would minimize the impact of that talent and chemistry by "looking at the substitution pattern. When to sub. Combos that work together. Lineups to avoid" over halfway through the conference schedule.
And this is the guy that many of our fellow posters have been clamoring for? This school deserves better, no matter what he has done with UNC-Wilmington.
TownieMatt
CU Expat
- Chicago
Any team with that much talent would be successful, but not THAT successful. That system was the perfect system for those players. Lots of good shooters and passers in a system that got a lot of open shots (when run well). That roster was incredibly talented, but had it been in an offense that relied more on driving and athleticism, it wouldn't have been as successful.
Teams work best when players match the system. They work even better when those players are elite.
Teams work best when players match the system. They work even better when those players are elite.
Tevo
- Wilmette, IL
I've seen facilities and "resources" mentioned a few times when folks are comparing the desirability of different schools. Are the budgets and facilities at Tennessee or Cal really that far from what we have at Illinois? Are they so different that it would mean winning 3-4 more games, or attracting a clearly better quality of player? Even with a place like Kansas, I can't imagine that basketball dorm being the deciding factor, unless you are truly split on all of the more important things like the coaches, the player development, the playing time, the teammates, etc.
Completely baseless guessing, and then we get this as a response, because of course
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Illiniwek06
- N of I-80
I mean, it is pretty fantastic.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/09/kansas-basketball-dorm-12-million-mccarthy-hall
Not true, actually Tennessee has a much bigger AD budget than Illinois (mainly due to football) but they have outspent Illinois in basketball as well. They are one of the schools with the biggest budget increase (percentage-wise) in basketball. Calling Tennessee's resources "pretty limited" is incorrect.
http://www.businessinsider.com/thes...-most-money-on-their-basketball-teams-2012-1#
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/
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Archie Miller/Cuonzo Martin are the top candidates at this time. No questions asked.
Hey man, if you want to come up with legitimate arguments against Keatts besides "he's from the CAA" or "his defense will be horrible and his offense will regress" without anything but a guess to support that, feel free, I'll keep waiting.
But now we're really stooping to "he was at Hargrave for 10 years and he must've cheated, and Louisville only hired him to get into hargrave", because a HS coach who compiled that sort of record at a powerhouse at the HS level has never, ever moved up. It's not like Louisville was hiring Porter for his sons, or when Pastner hired the Lawson's dad.
At this point, you are basically slandering Keatts just because he's from the CAA and you're afraid of a mid-major hire that isn't Marshall/Miller.
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Tevo
- Wilmette, IL
So another poster finding it "highly unlikely" that Keatts is "remotely clean" because he coached at Hargrave for 10 years is now another data point that reinforces your thinking?
What about Wayne McClain? He was super successful as a high school coach, and you could claim he was hired to open a pipeline to Peoria. Was he also therefore "highly unlikely" to be clean? And was he a bad guy that wasn't good enough for Illinois?
What about Robert Smith at Simeon? He's been super successful, and had multiple #1 national players. Do you feel he's "highly unlikely" to be clean?
Folks make the reasonable request that you try to back up argument with data, and your reaction is to double-down on feelings and assumptions.
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mattcoldagelli
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I, for one, can't wait to learn about how Kevin Keatts personally wronged OrangeKrus28 when they crossed paths in real life.
Keatts has done nothing wrong and he may be a great guy but so is John Groce. This is a wins and losses business. I want to go to battle with someone has had high major coaching experience and has proven his worth over the years, not an up-and-comer who may or who may not be successful. Is that a fair opinion to have?
Whose call was it tp promote the Cal coach on IlliniLoyalty...the coach who is offering Smith a scholarship to attend...wait for it...Cal
Yeah, that's entirely fair, and a lot of folks have some concern about his HC experience being strictly in the CAA, which is why most of us have acknowledge him as a low floor candidate. The hype is built on being able to stomach taking that risk, some of us are OK with that, some are not, and that's entirely fine.
We are taking issue with a few of the points you (and others) have made going beyond that are not. The one above from DudeIllini is entirely baseless, and some of the others talking about how schemes and low major coaches translate jumping up from lower tier gigs should be supported with some data. That's all.
You have absolutely no idea who the top candidates are at this time. Unless you're Josh Whitman or the like 4 people who are helping him. Which, maybe you are, but the way you talk about basketball I really hope you aren't
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illynifan34
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If you want to talk wins and losses, Keatts has a lot of one and not a lot of the other.
eMitch
- Quincy, IL
Like this?
http://www.illinoisloyalty.com/Forums/showpost.php?p=1275360&postcount=2
I think there were one or two more just like it in this game too.
There is nothing that says that Cuonzo will be a guaranteed success either, many up-and-comers have been very successful including our own Self, but also HOF coaches like Izzo, Coach K, Roy (at KU), etc. and many current coaches at major basketball universities (e.g., Sean Miller at Arizona) who got their chance through mid-major schools or even as assistants. At the same time, there have been coaches (e.g. Amaker at Michigan, Tubby at Minnesota) who failed, despite coming from other high-majors.
He's recruiting him for a reason and it's not because he expects him to go to Cal, if that wasn't obvious.
No, it's not obvious, and that is just speculation.
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