Well, I'm not suggesting we got after him if we are told he has no interest. If we were going to do that we would offer Cal, coach K, Sean Miller, etc. We obviously have a LOT better chance with Archie whether you like to believe that or not. It is common sense to make an offer only if there is interest. So to that end, I agree that you don't carelessly throw offers out, but get a feeler out and see if it's something he is interested in. If not, walk away. I still stand by the fact that we see if there is interest.
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Well, I'm not suggesting we got after him if we are told he has no interest. If we were going to do that we would offer Cal, coach K, Sean Miller, etc. We obviously have a LOT better chance with Archie whether you like to believe that or not. It is common sense to make an offer only if there is interest. So to that end, I agree that you don't carelessly throw offers out, but get a feeler out and see if it's something he is interested in. If not, walk away. I still stand by the fact that we see if there is interest.
One interesting dynamic: Mizzou will be in the market for a new coach this offseason and it seems clear they'll be drawing from the same candidate pool. They're a school with plenty of history and resources, they play in a big conference, and our recruiting territory has a lot of overlap. It will be interesting if we opt for someone like Cuonzo and they end up with Keatts or Hoiberg. If our choice doesn't work out and theirs does, it could complicate things with recruiting and even brand fortitude. Hopefully they make a suitably poor decision and we knock it out of the park.
I know we hired Kruger away from Fla forever ago, but circumstances were different. We were more relevant when we hired Kruger than we are now. Also, Billy D did a lot of work and won a couple National Championships since then, which raised their status imo to be a better program than Illinois for basketball. We aren't what we used to be. But hey, he is another guy I say you extend talks to and see if there is any interest. You have to at least talk to some of these guys before offering the position to anyone.
Looks like Martin's buyout from Cal is $1.1 million before April 15 and $1.0 million after April 15. Not sure how the timing will lineup, but the cost of the buyout is not particularly punitive.
What's obvious about that?
I don't disagree with putting feelers out at all. You should cast your net as wide as possible.
That is an interesting factor, but ultimately it doesn't affect our thinking. We just gotta hire the right guy. That's all there is to it.
Let's say we hire Cuonzo. Let's say Charlie Moore wants to transfer here. Is Cal going to try and block that and are they likely to be successful? Are there analogous situations?
What gives us a better chance at Archie than a chance at Coach Cal, K, or Sean Miller? Money. Those coaches make a ton already and have a lot better program currently. I wasn't referring to us having a better chance at Archie than say Cuonzo. I think that is obvious, but maybe not...
Also, I will agree that there is a 90% chance that he will be the coach at NC ST next year.. I think that you may think I'm just arguing with you, but I agree with your thoughts for the most part. I was just stating you should at least look into him and if there is interest, come up with a good package to offer him.
Honestly Hoiberg would be my top target if he is free or wanting to get out of the NBA... also we can't really afford to give him a raise with him making $5 mil per year. Archie is making a little over $1.1 mil at the moment iirc.
Come on down, Cuonzo & Charlie, the price is right at UI!! Don't see any block happening.
Would Monty Williams be a legit candidate? I know he's been mentioned briefly by some posters. I would be completely fine with him being our new coach. Anyone else have thoughts on him?
Anybody have an opinion on how Lovie's deal affects what we pay a basketball coach?
Lovie's deal averages ~$5M per year (with bonuses). (We know he was willing to take a lower salary in the early years because he's still getting paid by Tampa.)
I think our ceiling for the right "A-list" candidate is 80% of Lovie's comp, or $4M. That would apply to someone like Archie Miller. Some of this will be incentives based on on-the-court performance.
I think "plan B" guys are looking at $2MM in salary with $1MM in incentives for on-the-court performance.
Thoughts?
Lovie's deal averages ~$5M per year (with bonuses). (We know he was willing to take a lower salary in the early years because he's still getting paid by Tampa.)
I think our ceiling for the right "A-list" candidate is 80% of Lovie's comp, or $4M. That would apply to someone like Archie Miller. Some of this will be incentives based on on-the-court performance.
I think "plan B" guys are looking at $2MM in salary with $1MM in incentives for on-the-court performance.
Thoughts?
IlliniForTheWin
- Georgia
I dont know if he will be a legit candidate. Currently VP of basketball operations with the spurs. It would take a great $ offer for Monty Williams to come to Illinois. I guess the same could be said for all tier 1 options and majority of tier 2 options.
Probably less commonplace since the NCAA got rid of the hardship waivers. I recall a kid following Pitino to MN, probably others have done the same. There was some speculation that Alec Peters would graduate from Valpo and follow Drew to Vandy, but he chose to stay.
IlliniFan12
- Cedar Falls, IA
I fully believe that Cuonzo would hit the sweet spot of his coaching career at Illinois. No better situation for him.
Is there a disgruntled fanbase at Cal?
What about a gruntled fanbase?
Agree, we don't have ucla, duke. Fsu talent but we have more talent than Butler. The new coach will have a solid squad to run. Will need to add that 6-10 athlete though
Lost positives are fun!
Archie is not worth 4 million (yet) is my thought. I'm not going to link that salaries list again, but that'd make him a top 15 coach in terms of salary pretty easily. I'd be surprised if his next contract, regardless of school, is more than 2.75 mil as an absolute max. I think Cuonzo will fall in the 2.5 range with expectations of an early raise based on performance, IMO. Football coaches make more because football makes more.
Typically blocking only occurs for schools on the schedule, and definitely happens less in hoops than football (football teams know their schedule earlier is a major reason). I don't see a reason they'd block him, personally.
Yeah, Tilmon isn't a keep your coach talent, but he will make us better. Especially when you consider the depth chart. I would look to see the next coach go hunting for a 5th year big as well for next year. But regardless, the cupboard is not empty or even close, and hopefully we can see the individuals on the roster make strides in a new development program over the offseason.
You know, similar to ones in the cellar.
KrushCow31
Former Krush Cow
- Chicago, IL
I really don't understand the obsession with Martin here. Am I missing something? It's not like Cal or Tennessee were/are world beaters. Last year they were fine but then lost in the 1st round...
MrOizo
- Chicago
Serious question: Why would Cuonzo leave Cal for Illinois? Money could be better. Perhaps he made that move a little fast and realizes the west isn't quite home. But Cal sounds pretty sweet and an easy place to attract talent to...
Cuonzo Martin signed a new deal with Cal that locks him up until 2020.
Every coach worth hiring will have a deal through at least 2020 right now. The question is of buyouts. Nobody is operating on a deal that expires at the end of the season, including our coach!
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