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Do you know something about Keatts?
haasi
- New York
Billy Donovan did OK.
Wow, had forgotten he fit that profile. And he got the Florida job when Lon came to Illinois. He definitely did do OK.
Any other suitable comps, good or bad?
Rather than looking at his record, look at his team's stats and that'll tell the story. I've already mentioned his team's poor defense. You can refer to a couple pages back
The instant dramatic turnaround is kind of a unique factor. Usually guys who are digging out a down mid-major end up with longer track records just because it takes them awhile.
Would people like Keatts' resume more if there were a 10-22 and a 14-18 tacked onto the front of it? Then it starts to look like a Jay Wright or a Ben Howland.
I don't know whether to lower my hopes tremendously because of how far we have fallen, or raise them because of what Whitman pulled off last time. I would have to say I'm in the boat of it probably being someone we haven't thought of.
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Not sure where you get he upgraded any of the programs he has coached at
I touched on this a few pages back but Anthony Grant...
- Assistant coach at FL that helped recruit a national title team
- 3 years at VCU in coincidentally the CAA
- All 3 years he finished first in the CAA (a much tougher league back then)
- Moved on to coach AL, where he lasted 6 years with mediocre results
Grant's resume is a little better than Keatts in that he won a tournament game against Duke and beat 2 P5 schools during his 3 years. He also spent a lot more time as an assistant in college. Keatts has yet to beat a P5 school.
The middle is usually a good place to be.
haasi
- New York
Shouldn't we just ask pitino if Keatts is the next Donovan? He would be in the best position to know. Quick, someone tweet him.
maybe you joined the party late. Nobody is just looking at his team record. They are looking at his stats as well. Did you not see the excel sheet? His defensive record could improve one he gets better players in the B10. Could he do well in the B10? I don't know, and neither do you.
Ooh, I've found a pretty close one. Paul Hewitt at Georgia Tech. An immediate turnaround and three good years at Siena, after being an assistant at Villanova for four years.
That's not much of a success story, but a sample size of one doesn't really tell you much. I'm just glad I found a comp that close.
Well, there's the defense rated 240th in the country in PPG for the opposition and 193rd in adjusted defensive rating, according to OrangeKrus28. That says he might not be Bill Self 2.0.
Getting C Martin will send a signal to the state's coaches, players, and fans that Illinois is the flagship school. Martin and his staff will move in much faster in the the recruiting circles of any other coaches especially those deemed as outsiders.
No, there's nothing supporting the argument he upgraded the programs. He has done nothing at either of his P5 stops the previous coach did not also accomplish, and his Missouri State tenure was BARELY better than Barry Hinson's in terms of peak accomplishments.
+1, Team USA is a biiig deal in the hoops world.
Hey man, the CAA is trash, didn't you hear? His wins there mean nothing, anybody could do that!
I already showed you that teams can and have succeeded without elite defenses at the P5 level. You've also provided nothing to support the argument that his defense with low major athletes will be as ineffective as it will be with P5 athletes, should he step up.
We're not going to find a Bill Self clone, and we already know Cuonzo isn't Bill Self 2.0, so I'm not sure why that matters.
Tracy Webster scouting our recruits is just too telling.
Its gonna be Martin.
Its gonna be Martin.
...or they're just recruiting in Illinois? Not the first time for Cuonzo @ Cal. Mark Smith isn't "our recruit", he's a target of ours, as he is for a lot of programs right now.
Not with that attitude.
Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
Well that's just being intentionally vague, especially considering his trip was, at least publically, for Smith
Plus of course going to scout him. Hello if Groce and Walker gone then he will probably open his recruitment up and might as well get some exposure with him
This thread is exhausting, but this made me laugh.
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