2017 Coaching Carousel

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Obelix
haasi said:
Question for enterprising researchers or very informed college ball fans-
how have midmajor coaches with similar backgrounds to Keatts (a short track record of exceptional performance as HC at small school, legit recruiting background as assistant) fared when elevating to P5 conferences?
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Billy Donovan did OK. :)
 
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haasi
Obelix said:
Billy Donovan did OK. :)
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Wow, had forgotten he fit that profile. And he got the Florida job when Lon came to Illinois. He definitely did do OK.

Any other suitable comps, good or bad?
 
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Second and Chalmers
haasi said:
Question for enterprising researchers or very informed college ball fans-
how have midmajor coaches with similar backgrounds to Keatts (a short track record of exceptional performance as HC at small school, legit recruiting background as assistant) fared when elevating to P5 conferences?
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The instant dramatic turnaround is kind of a unique factor. Usually guys who are digging out a down mid-major end up with longer track records just because it takes them awhile.

Would people like Keatts' resume more if there were a 10-22 and a 14-18 tacked onto the front of it? Then it starts to look like a Jay Wright or a Ben Howland.
 
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illiniguy24
I don't know whether to lower my hopes tremendously because of how far we have fallen, or raise them because of what Whitman pulled off last time. I would have to say I'm in the boat of it probably being someone we haven't thought of.


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coltjames03
SescIllini said:
I think C Martin will get us from point A to point B the fastest. He will improve our recruiting in Chicago, St Louis, and occasionally land a national top 25 guy. He will also keep our class together IMHO and possibly land Smith as well. One thing I remember from Martin as a player was he was a winner. Did he dominate his conference? Well he coached at Tennessee and not Kentucky and coached at Cal and not Arizona. He upgraded the programs and hasn't stayed long enough to see what he can do long-term. I'm not interested in an Iowa or Indiana rebuilt from 8-10 years ago which saw them no where competitive.
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Not sure where you get he upgraded any of the programs he has coached at
 
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ILHoff
haasi said:
Question for enterprising researchers or very informed college ball fans-
how have midmajor coaches with similar backgrounds to Keatts (a short track record of exceptional performance as HC at small school, legit recruiting background as assistant) fared when elevating to P5 conferences?
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I touched on this a few pages back but Anthony Grant...

- Assistant coach at FL that helped recruit a national title team
- 3 years at VCU in coincidentally the CAA
- All 3 years he finished first in the CAA (a much tougher league back then)
- Moved on to coach AL, where he lasted 6 years with mediocre results

Grant's resume is a little better than Keatts in that he won a tournament game against Duke and beat 2 P5 schools during his 3 years. He also spent a lot more time as an assistant in college. Keatts has yet to beat a P5 school.
 
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haasi
Second and Chalmers said:
The instant dramatic turnaround is kind of a unique factor. Usually guys who are digging out a down mid-major end up with longer track records just because it takes them awhile.

Would people like Keatts' resume more if there were a 10-22 and a 14-18 tacked onto the front of it? Then it starts to look like a Jay Wright or a Ben Howland.
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Shouldn't we just ask pitino if Keatts is the next Donovan? He would be in the best position to know. Quick, someone tweet him.
 
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dweebs19
OrangeKrus28 said:
Rather than looking at his record, look at his team's stats and that'll tell the story. I've already mentioned his team's poor defense. You can refer to a couple pages back
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maybe you joined the party late. Nobody is just looking at his team record. They are looking at his stats as well. Did you not see the excel sheet? His defensive record could improve one he gets better players in the B10. Could he do well in the B10? I don't know, and neither do you.
 
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Second and Chalmers
haasi said:
Question for enterprising researchers or very informed college ball fans-
how have midmajor coaches with similar backgrounds to Keatts (a short track record of exceptional performance as HC at small school, legit recruiting background as assistant) fared when elevating to P5 conferences?
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Ooh, I've found a pretty close one. Paul Hewitt at Georgia Tech. An immediate turnaround and three good years at Siena, after being an assistant at Villanova for four years.

That's not much of a success story, but a sample size of one doesn't really tell you much. I'm just glad I found a comp that close.
 
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GForce
Obelix said:
Or not. There is nothing that says that Keatts could not be a very successful coach at a P5 school.
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Well, there's the defense rated 240th in the country in PPG for the opposition and 193rd in adjusted defensive rating, according to OrangeKrus28. That says he might not be Bill Self 2.0.
 
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SescIllini
Getting C Martin will send a signal to the state's coaches, players, and fans that Illinois is the flagship school. Martin and his staff will move in much faster in the the recruiting circles of any other coaches especially those deemed as outsiders.
 
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LurkLongandProsper
SescIllini said:
He upgraded the programs and hasn't stayed long enough to see what he can do long-term.
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No, there's nothing supporting the argument he upgraded the programs. He has done nothing at either of his P5 stops the previous coach did not also accomplish, and his Missouri State tenure was BARELY better than Barry Hinson's in terms of peak accomplishments.

Bailey said:
As it pertains to recruits recognizing Monty's name, I think folks (from what seems like 10 pages ago) are hugely underestimating the impact ties to Team USA bball have.

Also, personally, I think the fact the Spurs organization would give a job to Monty lays to rest any questions about his aptitude.
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+1, Team USA is a biiig deal in the hoops world.

Obelix said:
Or not. There is nothing that says that Keatts could not be a very successful coach at a P5 school.
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Hey man, the CAA is trash, didn't you hear? His wins there mean nothing, anybody could do that!

OrangeKrus28 said:
Rather than looking at his record, look at his team's stats and that'll tell the story. I've already mentioned his team's poor defense. You can refer to a couple pages back
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I already showed you that teams can and have succeeded without elite defenses at the P5 level. You've also provided nothing to support the argument that his defense with low major athletes will be as ineffective as it will be with P5 athletes, should he step up.

GForce said:
Well, there's the defense rated 240th in the country in PPG for the opposition and 193rd in adjusted defensive rating, according to OrangeKrus28. That says he might not be Bill Self 2.0.
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We're not going to find a Bill Self clone, and we already know Cuonzo isn't Bill Self 2.0, so I'm not sure why that matters.
 
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Orangetool
Tracy Webster scouting our recruits is just too telling.


Its gonna be Martin.
 
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coltjames03
LurkLongandProsper said:
Well that's just being intentionally vague, especially considering his trip was, at least publically, for Smith
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Plus of course going to scout him. Hello if Groce and Walker gone then he will probably open his recruitment up and might as well get some exposure with him
 
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