2017 Coaching Carousel

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Huh? The "bias of a personal evaluation" is exactly what he's being paid for, exactly why he is better situated to make this decision than we fans.

He's behind the scenes, he's with the team, he knows what the mood and the culture in the locker room is.

Groce has been twisting in the wind on the hot seat since well before Whitman was hired. If you resolve that he's your guy, you get out and say that, immediately. You give your guy that boost.

Just as an example to show the folly of "complete information from the entire season" being necessary, Whitman publicly announced that Groce would return on March 5 last year, before the final game of the conference regular season.

Here was the quote



He thought it was important that folks understand that. It WAS important.

That that is no longer something Whitman wishes for folks to understand seems to clearly indicate the decision to me, but we'll see.

Oh, come on. This had more to do with the timing of Whitman's hire than it did the timing of the announcement.
 
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Another name I'm not necessarily endorsing: King Rice. What's the word on him? Seems like a guy to keep an eye on. 35-5 in the Metro the last two years. Dean Smith guy.

I put his name out there about 50 pages ago or so. I think people see him as Keatts-lite. I personally like King Rice's persona and backstory more than keatts, but I'm totally a sucker for redemption stories and guys that have pushed through some adversity (he has personally and professionally).

In a weird way, the fact he initially struggled at Monmouth and now has them rolling makes me more comfortable than someone like Keatts who has not faced that kind of challenge yet in his career.

That being said, Rice hasn't been to the tourney yet and hasn't been able to get through his conf. tourney either... so I would think that would be a big fat "no" on him having any chance getting hired here at the moment.
 
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Not that it matters, but Groce had a huge red flag IMO when he was hired (conference record). To me, that says a lot about how you're doing against schools with similar resources. Granted, a conference can have outliers, but I think the point about how you're doing relative to your competition holds.

5years ago Groce was the new hot young coach at the time. Sometim s it works out, sometimes not so much.
 
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Illinithad

Northeast Missouri
These 2 resumes don't look that different but o were the results.

Kim Anderson was a D1 assistant for about 15 years at Mizzou and Baylor. He took over a D2 program, won 75% of his games, won a D2 national championship and had several final 4s. Returned to his alma mater where he was worshipped and went down in flames in a weak basketball conference. Melissa Click and all that stuff notwithstanding.

Bo Ryan won 81% of his games at D3 and 4 national titles but it was D3. Had two very mediocre years at UWM and was hired at UW. I remember it well. Kohl had just been built and Wisc was shooting for a star. Ryan was not first choice, or second, or third. When he was hired I remember a national writer saying that Wisc thought they could parlay their new digs into a top tier coach but none were interested and they (his words) "finally settled on Bo Ryan". It was almost condescending.

Hiring coaches is a crap shoot normally and sometimes dumb luck is part of it but not counting interims, I have seen 8 athletic directors and JW strikes me as the best and maybe by a lot. I trust in JW


To Anderson's defense, he took over a program on probation and is still on probation. He basically cleaned house and started over from scratch. The next coach will reap the benefits of what he had to do.
 
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Serious Late

Peoria via Denver via Ann Arbor via Albuquerque vi
I am still intrigued by the Dan Majerle discussion we had a couple weeks back. There was talk about him not leaving Grand Canyon out of loyalty to the program. At the time, my initial reaction was a big, fat PSSSSSSSSSSSH. I still think he will leave them for the right opportunity, but then I read an article in the Player's Tribune (great website for those not aware of it) that talks about how next year will be the first year they are eligible for the NCAA Tourney. They appear to have quite a bit of talent, a respectable fanbase and quite a bit of support.

So I honestly don't know what to make of that situation and where Majerle's head is at, but if he would listen, that is another coach I would be very interested in talking with. In any event, I recommend giving the article a read for anyone that is a general college basketball fan.
 
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SalukiIllini

Evansville, IN
You can not be impressed by names brought up, and still realize that they'd be better than Groce.



Some probably are better. Some could be worse.


But I don't think any of them are miles better. And that's really what we need. If you hire a new coach that's a minimum 5 year commitment.. you (JW) better get it right is all I'm saying.
 
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SalukiIllini

Evansville, IN
You don't think anybody named is significantly better than what looks to be the 14th-best coach in the conference?



Dramatized statement aside, no I do not think anyone is significantly better of the coaches that we have a legit shot at on March the 10th.


Apologies for the poorly worded statement.
 
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Dramatized statement aside, no I do not think anyone is significantly better of the coaches that we have a legit shot at on March the 10th.


Apologies for the poorly worded statement.

If you actually look at the numbers and take everything into account, it may not be an overly dramatized statement. Who, in your opinion, is a sure-fire worse coach in the conference?
 
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Guys, do not make this about "Illinois isn't good enough".

Archie to NC State has been a lead pipe lock this whole time.

Think of how we'd laugh and make fun of other programs fans who thought we wouldn't get a Lucas Johnson in the same sort of situation. Archie is that kind of figure at NC State. It's a done deal.

I think this is way off base, but time will tell.
 
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Tim Miles is actually worse.

Maybe. I wouldn't put him definitively worse than Groce though. The point is that there's an argument to be made that we might very well have the worst coach in the B1G.
 
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kcib8130

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Dramatized statement aside, no I do not think anyone is significantly better of the coaches that we have a legit shot at on March the 10th.


Apologies for the poorly worded statement.

I'm curious who would be significantly better in your eyes...that would be attainable
 
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Maybe. I wouldn't put him definitively worse than Groce though. The point is that there's an argument to be made that we might very well have the worst coach in the B1G.

You can't say "look at the numbers" and then also say "maybe", because I guess in your opinion he may not be. Because in the same way, you can say "maybe" for others in the other direction (in favor of Groce).

Tim Miles has a worse record than Groce, and worse head-to-head record as well.
 
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SalukiIllini

Evansville, IN
I'm curious who would be significantly better in your eyes...that would be attainable



Valid question - I have no idea. I've scanned the names throughout this forum and done some research on them and just haven't been overly impressed. I haven't really gone out of my way to think of anyone outside the box. I could have missed a few names since this thread is moving quickly as well. But as of now, I don't know who I would want personally.


I have a feeling it will be someone out of left field (as many do).
 
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#2 AD has to be Doug Mills, man am I dating myself, integrated Illinois athletics in the 40s, hired Coombs (3 final 4s in 4 years) Ray Eliot and Pete Elliott (several winning Rose Bowls) , a number of NC in track, fencing, gymnastics. In one year, Illinois won 8 of the 12 men's conference championships. Slush fund was on his watch. Younger fans have no idea how bad !!! we were back then.

Neal Stoner is #3. Rebuilt football when we really were tanking. Great promoter but a snake oil salesman.
 
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