The longer I think about it, I believe you are correct. He never actually declared, just announced he was returning. Your memory is clearly better than mine!Maybe I missed it, but I don’t remember him declaring last year in which case he hasn’t used up that one time option (if that is indeed still a one-time thing).
Kofi seems like a lock to be a top 15 NBA pick. Am I wrong about this?
I was really high on his draft stock/ability to go pro after this year earlier this year (see my posts earlier in this thread). A lot of this was based off his performance in the Michigan game. While I still think there's the potential he leaves, I'm not as confident as in early December. Kofi appeared quite bouncy in the Michigan game against a solid (and huge) big, but I haven't seen that as much since. Take the "thunderous" jam he had against Purdue -- he barely got the lift needed to stuff it. His wingspan doesn't appear to be above average either. Combine those (relative lack of hops + short wingspan) with a relatively limited offensive game, and I'm not confident in his draft stock at the moment or his ability to go pro after this year.
Granted, this draft class is viewed as very weak at the moment while next year's freshman class is more highly touted, so that could tip the scales. I bet he at least tests the waters.
EDIT: I should add that I've never thought he's top 15 pick good, and don't think he will ever get that high in the draft unless he turns into a stretch big and starts nailing threes.
Its never good to get your draft stock information from a message board 1/4 of the way through a players freshman year. Go back and watch that dunk from the Purdue game. He took off from outside the restricted area. Also Coach Underwood said Kofis wingspan is 7'6". Don't get me wrong I agree he needs more time to develop his game, but the tools are present. He has good touch around the rim and his mid range jumper doesn't look bad for a guy who is in his 4th year of organised basketball. There aren't many 7' 280-290 pound humans walking this Earth with his athleticism. I just hope he doesn't fall for the "NBA can develop bigs" narrative.
Pot, meet kettle.
Apparently you need to go back and watch that dunk, his right foot is on the line. Either way, he's right next to the basket. Think about the bounce that had Meyers shoot up draft boards. I just don't see the same degree with him, especially in game.
If his wingspan is truly that long, then you're right, he does have all the tools. But from what I've seen the past several years, most big men being taken in the first round are either highly skilled (Wendell Carter, Mo Bamba, etc.) or explosive leapers (Jaxson Hayes, Robert Williams), or both. I think Kofi has the base to develop the skill -- particularly shooting -- needed to become a first round pick, but I don't believe he has the requisite traits at the moment to garner first round (or even high second round) attention this year.
Now, notice I use the words think and believe...that is because these are opinions (gasp!). If you want information, go elsewhere.
I'm so afraid to ask, but what narrative is this?
Maybe its the difference of 30-40 pounds thats makes Myers Leonard a better leaper. We are making the same point that we both think he needs to stay and develop, but so does almost all players who leave early. I do agree with that you Bigs who can either shoot or can move tend to get drafted in the first round, but it isn't black or white like you are making it out to be. Go back and look at previous years drafted C. Look at how bad history has been for NBA franchises. Mo Bamba was drafted because of he was highly skilled? Robert Williams is in the G-League. NBA teams gush over big athletes is the point I want to make. Almost every NBA draft bust list is filled with Bigs. Therefore, to think that if Kofi did leave early he wouldn't get draft at all is a stretch.
I think underwood and antigua will have a heart to heart with Kofi and tell him something along the lines of this" you are a great player who literally develops more and more every game, you will do great in the league, however if you give us another year to develop your skillset, fine tune your skills you will absolutely jump from late first round to second round draft pick to a lottery pick, probably somewhere between 5th and 10th. Being drafted between lottery and 2nd round is a difference in a whole lot of money, give us and your brother one more season and we will turn you into a millionaire".I am beginning to be a little more nervous that we may only have Kofi for one year. I sure hope we get two, but he sure looks solid against some very good talent early in the season. Well done tonight to the team! We needed this one!
Is this supposed to mean something? There are starting centers in this list. There are guys with multiple, multi million dollar contracts. Are you implying that the league's top tier big men were finished products when they arrived in the league?2009 - 2nd overall Hasheem Thabeet
2009 - 8th overall Jordan Hill
2010 - 11th overall Cole Aldrich
2010 - 6th overall Ekpe Udoh
2011 - 7th overall Bismack Biyombo
2012 - 11th overall Meyers Leonard
2012 - 14th overall John Henson
2013 - 4th overall Cody Zellar
2013 - 5th overall Alex Len
2013 - 6th overall Nerlens Noel
2015 - 3rd overall Jahlil Okafor
2016 - 9th overall Jakob Poltl
2016 - 13th overall Georgios Papagiannis
There's no argument to be made that basketball players are going to develop better outside a setting of...professional basketball.
Could not agree more with this sentiment. I don't understand why people think it's easier to develop playing against inferior competition with less institutional resources while juggling classes, homework, no $$$ to hire a personal assistant, etc. For every Thabeet or Papagiannis there's a Hassan Whiteside or Deandre Jordan that develops and blossoms later in their career.
The NBA draft is a crap shoot. Some guys prove they were worth the pick, some don't. You never know for sure how much work a guy will put into his game once he receives his first million dollar paycheck.
I guess I am just old fashioned. I think 1 and done is lowering the quality of basketball in the NBA. Too many of these guys are jumping after 1 year in college who aren't fully prepared for professional basketball. I don't blame them at all because the money is better than it has ever been in the NBA. What I am trying to prove is that most young men can develop better under the structure of college and that is looked at as a negative now. Is there really that much less of institutional resources compared to the NBA to College? That is an honest question. I just see multi-year college players come into the NBA more polished and ready. This includes a good handful of international players (ex: Gasol Brothers).
I just need to get off my soap box and get off here airing out my views on the current state of basketball.
1/10/20 from Sam Vecenie of The Athletic...The mock draft is starting to be more of about what I’m hearing from sources about draft ranges on specific kids, as opposed to it more being about where I am on kids.
54. Los Angeles Clippers
Ayo Dosunmu | 6-4 guard | 20 years old, sophomore | Illinois
Dosunmu has been one of the more disappointing players in the country this year, looking mostly like the same guy he was last year for Illinois. He’s still a terror out in transition because of his long strides and open-floor ballhandling, but in the halfcourt it’s tough to find what to do with him. He’s still not nearly a consistent enough shooter, and has been a bit more turnover prone this year. I think someone would take a shot if he declared, but he hasn’t helped himself.
I only think he should go pro if he is really firmly in the first round. He needs to do what's best for him and not worry about the rest. I dont feel he is a first round pick yet but I hope he gets there. Either way I think he turns pro whether he is ready or not.I genuinely hope Ayo goes pro. It will be wonderful publicity for the program (ideally providing a recruiting bump of some kind) to be able to pitch instate kids on staying home and making it to the NBA after two years like Chicago hero Ayo, especially if we can make any sort of NCAA Tournament run this year (even if that's just to the Second Round). Also, I would like Miller to come in and hit the ground running with Frazier to guide him along. The rest of our core would probably be even better, and we could really get something going.
I've seen several that talk about "former Illini guard" and talk about how he ended up on Oakland. Will agree that it stinks Illinois doesn't just get normal publicity for him.To bad Illinois isn't getting the publicity from Nunn. The articles often talk about the surprise success of the undrafted rookie from Oakland University.