3/16 Games

Ldog2013 · Mar 17, 2017

Seagee said:
Check out this photo right as the foul occurs. Player is still looking at his coach for what to do while guarding guy with the ball, but Drew is already focused on the other end of the court. Explain what is incorrect about the assessment.

Again, I'm not totally against Drew coming here but just calling that play like I saw it.

It all ends up being the Head Coaches fault, but I blame the assistants there for not communicating the situation to the kid. I blame the Fisher-Davis for forgetting the time and score, his awareness ratings plummeted after today.
Also, Vandy used their last timeout right before the 8 min media timeout.
After being down 15 and hustling, kids are tired. When players are tired, exhausted, or need a breather the majority tend to make mistakes.

KansasIllini · Mar 17, 2017

redwingillini11 said:
I really didn't mind that foul. I don't want Northwestern taking the final shot. But that kid taking the 4-pt range shot at the end is an absolute joke. What in the world was that?

GortTheRobot said:
Not since Chris Webber's TO.

GortTheRobot said:
I said on the other thread, I should have posted the comment here, that it might be the biggest screw-up since Chris Webber's "extra" TO call.

Gort (times 2), thanks for saying that, because that was my immediate thought the second that it happened.

Granted, the stakes may not have been as high (NC game vs. first round), but my friends and I agree that this foul may even be worse than that TO call. We can somewhat forgive not knowing how many timeouts your team has left, but there are zero explanations/excuses we can find for not knowing the score of the game. Situational awareness 101.

RickBB · Mar 17, 2017

Seagee said:
Check out this photo right as the foul occurs. Player is looking at his coach for what to do while guarding guy with the ball, but Drew (and the rest of his bench) is already focused on the other end of the court. Explain what is incorrect about the assessment.

Again, I'm not totally against Drew coming here but just calling that play like I saw it.

Why would any player be looking to the bench for instruction? You just went up 1. These are kids smart enough to get into Vandy.....They should be smart enough to be able to interpret the scoreboard, and smart enough to know -1 + 2 = +1, we are now winning....go play defense.

The kid had a brain fart....he was the only one....and he admitted it, but don't go telling me its the coaches fault for not making sure they knew the situation. That's as silly as saying the coach has to remind them to tie their shoes and make sure you breathe while you are playing.

MakesNoSense · Mar 17, 2017

RickBB said:
Why would any player be looking to the bench for instruction? You just went up 1. These are kids smart enough to get into Vandy.....They should be smart enough to be able to interpret the scoreboard, and smart enough to know -1 + 2 = +1, we are now winning....go play defense.

The kid had a brain fart....he was the only one....and he admitted it, but don't go telling me its the coaches fault for not making sure they knew the situation. That's as silly as saying the coach has to remind them to tie their shoes and make sure you breathe while you are playing.

Spot on assessment.

sbillini · Mar 17, 2017

RickBB said:
Why would any player be looking to the bench for instruction? You just went up 1. These are kids smart enough to get into Vandy.....They should be smart enough to be able to interpret the scoreboard, and smart enough to know -1 + 2 = +1, we are now winning....go play defense.

The kid had a brain fart....he was the only one....and he admitted it, but don't go telling me its the coaches fault for not making sure they knew the situation. That's as silly as saying the coach has to remind them to tie their shoes and make sure you breathe while you are playing.

amen, brotha. putting that on the coaches (and having it potentially meaningfully impact how you evaluate the coach for the illini job) is serious mountaining out of a molehill

kcib8130 · Mar 17, 2017

Wmonty11 said:
In my opinion, this is all on the player. This is a player awareness flaw, not a coaching flaw. As a player, you have to know the situation, especially in this big of a moment.

Too bad they didn't have the score up in the gym to alert everyone involved who was ahead.

UofI08 · Mar 17, 2017

Seagee said:
Check out this photo right as the foul occurs. Player is looking at his coach for what to do while guarding guy with the ball, but Drew (and the rest of his bench) is already focused on the other end of the court. Explain what is incorrect about the assessment.

Again, I'm not totally against Drew coming here but just calling that play like I saw it.

This is crazy analysis. If he was looking at the inbounds, and they threw a football pass the length of the court, I'm sure you'd rip him on that too. He was trying to get his team set for a last second defensive stand, the basketball court is actually pretty large. He can't look at every corner at the same time. Come on now.

IlliniInTexas · Mar 17, 2017

illynifan34 said:
You want to put an 85% free throw shooter on the line to give his team the lead with 15 seconds left?

Feel bad for Roger. He's the only one I care about in this game.

Yes, it's an especially egregious mistake to foul NW's best free throw shooter. If you foul Law (73%) or Pardon (68%), it's really not that bad. If you foul Padrdon (55%), it's actually the smart play, even in the double bonus.

Of course, this hinges on you being able to get a good play off at the other end. Unless you're Steph Curry, pull the Rayvonte and just barrel your way into the lane. Even if you miss, it gives your team a chance for a putback. Not like the refs are calling fouls on either side, and scrums lead to garage points

LisaMarie · Mar 17, 2017

IlliniInTexas said:
Of course, this hinges on you being able to get a good play off at the other end. Unless you're Steph Curry, pull the Rayvonte and just barrel your way into the lane. Even if you miss, it gives your team a chance for a putback. Not like the refs are calling fouls on either side, and scrums lead to garage points

Yeah, just look at ND vs Stephen F. Austin last year. A tip-in in traffic got ND to the Sweet 16.

Bogey99 · Mar 17, 2017

Wall Street Journal article suggests the foul may have improved Vandy's chances of winning, or at the very least, only decreased their chances a few percentage points.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-bonehead-play-that-might-have-actually-been-genius-1489765582

Second and Chalmers · Mar 17, 2017

Bogey99 said:
Wall Street Journal article suggests the foul may have improved Vandy's chances of winning, or at the very least, only decreased their chances a few percentage points.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-bonehead-play-that-might-have-actually-been-genius-1489765582

Yeah, teams do that in Europe sometimes.

But they do it because their opponents will play for the last shot in that situation. Northwestern likely wouldn't have.